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Theyv'e always had meetings once a month. So, it didn't make no difference to me. They want their meeting, let 'um have 'um. They just went overboard, got carried away.

Well, it went through my mind. There's more people that told me, outsiders, just strangers, different people you see, "You better watch out. You might get shot." So, just people in town, or wherever, friends or--it bothered me the first month after I got back. But, after so long, you know, it gets forgotten about.

I dreamt different times, not too often, about it--when the guy went around and blew this guy away. That did bother me. They did bring that up in court and showed it--showed you his skull--passed it right through the jurrors. Some of 'um did like this and some passed it by. It didn't really bother me at that time. But, things grow on you eventually, I don't know.

Yes, I can't remember which one it was but I really thought he was smart, well prepared lawyer. It was that short, little guy. I can't remember what his name was.

It was that first guy you mentioned. He was well prepared for his trial--whatever he had to do with it.

No, I can't say that. No, I can't

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...4/43...Well, I don't know. He's a human being, but he seemed to me like he was a just a small little cocky guy. he just, the way it looked to me, he had his gun that was supposed to protect him. He was a small guy with his gun to protect him. And, I was going to say Scott Fall, he, he struck me right away, he could really do a lot of damage to somebody, if he'd ever get mad or blow up just my impression of what I seen of him as he sat there--just his looks when you'd walk by him, you'd walk into the jury where you sat. You'd walk by and he'd just look at you with his eyes.. You say, looks is killing, and he's had 'um.

He was just a common guy. But, he was a lawyer more or less I'd say. He was--he could talk.

She was a timid woman. And, I don't--just because that she was really a nice woman, behaved well, did her, whatever she did at her, at the trial. When, but, I still think that she should of had probation out of it, 'cause she was with--she was at the meeting, and in the car, the get a way car, and whatever it was.

Not that sticks in my mind. There awas a few times where we got a little chuckle--little giggle, but it wasn't--most of it was pretty serious.

One Xmas, I think, one, I don't remember his name called one time and wanted to know if we could get together. We were leaving or something. We were to get together ove Xmas, just in Fargo someplace. And, It never did materialize, unless they did it and we weren't there-which would have been alright, I think.

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No. I did run into Crooks one day at the sentinelle at Angus and it was four years ago. He come home here, and I did talk to 'um. And, we talked a little bit about it, how I liked it to been on that jury. It was really an experience--something everybody should do.

Well, at the time I was a single person, at that time. And, I was going with my wife, who is my wife now. And, I could only see her on Sundays for two hours. She would come up and visit. That was the only time we could have any company, Sunday afternoon from 2 to 4. And, I kinda missed her while I was locked up for a month. I did get to talk to her on the phone, but if you, you couldn't really--she said something about the newspaper, sometimes she said something about a newspaper and plunk, that was it, I was cut off. They just sit there and listen to you talk. I talked to my brother one time, and he mentioned something about seeing me on TV, seeing the jury on TV--and it was clunk. That was the end of it. They just cut you off. They're maybe scared you're going about, you know, what they seen in the paper.

(Note to Jeff. I didn't transcribe what the lady in the background said.)

Well, I don't know if it was really anger, or not, but it was--it got to be a long time. You just--you got up, like being in the Army. You got up. They woke you up a quarter to seven and pounded on your door. Seven fifteen you got downstairs, on the bus, then they would take you to breadfast. (lady in background again- I didn't transcribe it)

And I, about the pay. I didn't think they paid too good. For being gone a month at the busiest time of year. Putting in your crop and get what you're going to harvest, and what you're going to live on for the next--you only had that month to put it in. If you didn't get it in at that time--it's a certain time of the year when you have to do stuff like that. If it ain't there you're going to suffer for it for the next whole year. I think I got $800.

Well, I'm holding my own. But, it's been tough the last two or three years. But, right in this area we had some pretty good crops, you know. Like, this year, my corn wasn't as good as last year. Last year the whole state of North Dakota was dry, but we just happened to get a little rain right here in this area--twenty mile area here, and the corn was good, but the rest of the crop wasn't. We had good corn last year. We was fortunate right in this south eastern corner of North Dakota here. You just go west here forty miles there's just no grass there at all.

No, that's about it I guess.

Oh, I don't think they'll let you do it again. Maybe, once in a lifetime.

It didn't bother me a bit because I didn't feel that I did anything wrong. And, how it ended up is that I was owed them $800. I took my papers to Wopaton. He went through them, and he says "The way it looks to me--he says you got about--you got money coming back here." So, they made a mistake. They sent me $600. The guy made a mistake. I got $600. when I owed them $800. So, it wasn't no big deal to me. It turned out good.

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