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Bill Kennelly

Bill Kennelly was Scott Faul's defense attorney. He's now dead.
 
REEL 18
 
22:00
BACK IN THE LATE SEVENTIES, I was involved with the DRAFTin of THE
ND CHARTER ON GAMBLING...and I spent a lot of time out in Bismarck which
is my home area. At the same time on one of my trips out there, I met with
some race horse owners...at some meeting, he (GK) made a presentation...he
made a very reasonable pitch for whatever his presentation was...very well
thought out...24/04...
 
24:15 TALKS ABOUT HIS BACKGROUND.
26/05...doctors found a brain tumor, then I didn't die. I always thought
I wanted to go to law school...
 
27:00 I find it hard to find an inspiration in law...many times I felt
I was being taken advantage of...I don't have any heroes, I think the legal
profession has a lot of problems.
KENNELLY#18/22
28:15...The day of the incident in medina it made the news... the tv
and news was full of it. The second morning after the shooting when Faul
turned himself in...he turned himself in in Harvey thru his attny, Ted Siebold...28/48...
they immediately brought him down to Fargo... Scott wasn't talking to anybody...29/00...
they didn't know if he could afford an attorney... Judge Bensen was recommending
that I represent scott. ...29/25...I went down and met with Scott and he
wasn't very anxious to talk with me, just walking off the street...29/37...
The US Attny was convinced he knew where GK went. Because they had left
the scene together, when they had split up they were convinced that Scott
would know where he was...30/00... they tried to get me to find out where
GK had gone... I had only met my client for two minutes and I was hustled
out and asked to find out....30/23 ***
Scott and I got to know each other and his attny Ted told him I was
alright. ...30:45
the court discovered that scott had assets and I was let go and Scott
asked me to represent him. And at that time I was relatively knew to the
legal profession and I had never specialized in criminal law...31/15...and
so I ...
END OF THIS TAPE
BILL KENNELLY INTERVIEW:
 
REEL 20
 
00:45 You can't fight the system, you don't fight city hall...the IRS
has a reputation to protect...if you release this around tax time expect
an audit. ...1/11...
 
2:00...I think part of that had to do with prosecution Overkill...you
will find very few in the country that in a career have had a chance to
prosecute a case of this magnitude...
KEN20
2:35 The media was very fair... they gave us a couple of minutes every
night and they gave the prosecution 10 or 15 minutes to explain who had
done what that day...that was a little facetious you understand...it's fair
to say that very few prosecutors have had a chance to prosecute a case like
this...2/57...and I think, I think they just got to overkill.
KEN20
3:15 the only evidence against Joan was she was married to Gordon. and
she went for a ride with him to a meeting and yet she was jailed, large
bond, had to go thru the entire trial...she had to be one of them...
the wives and families of Yori and Scott...3/50...
 
4:20
(blow by blow description of that day)
4/28...I think what happened is they left the meeting, they got in
their cars and they headed home from meeting... they only got half a mile
out of town...Chesire was behind em...4/49...he was waiting in town. He
called Muir and the city policeman, the young kid in from the north. Muir
had Wigglesworth with him. and they came over the hill and stopped at the
top of the hill...5/10...and when Gordon's car was leading and Broerer was
driving the car behind him, at any rate they saw the two cars at the top
of the hill. And, so they turned into the trailerhouse, into the driveway,
and as they did, Chesire and the county deputy, the one that had his finger
shot off, pulled up behind em, they all got out of their cars...5/45...
KEN20
...5:50 ***We did not find any evidence, and I don't believe that it
was controverted, that not one of the police officers was identified. no
uniforms. I take that back ...the only evidence they had uniforms was a
baseball cap with US Marshal's Service.
...anyway they got out of the car...6/08...
everybody got out of their cars. They all had guns. Scott took off running,
he took off towards the trailerhouse. Wigglesworth supposedly was going
to circle and then got caught in the weeds or something and couldn't get
any further. They were all hollering at each other, a lot of swearing, both
sides...6/40...
...and, the, Yori was behind the tele. pole.
 
KEN20
6/54... Ken Muir was exellent marksman especially with his service revolver.
And, my impression of what happened was that, regardless of what finally
touched it off, I think Ken shot the first shot and he hit...7/11...Yori.
He hit Yori in the shoulder holster of his .45, he had the 45 in it. That's
the gun that showed up at the end of the trial...7/25... and then, uh, Chesire
didn't know where the shot came from. And the ballistics to me, I've been
a hunter all my life, I've loaded shells all my life, I've shot every kind
of weapon, both military and civilian life...7/49...
KEN20
I think the next thing that happened before anybody else did any real
shooting was Chesire thought that Gordon who was between he and Muir, had
fired that shot and he shot at Gordon but he hit Muir!!!...8/11...
*****^^^^^^^^I think the ballistics evidence is just simply overwhelming,
that it was Chesire who shot, Muir only got hit with one shot. And I think
it was very clear to me that it was Chesires bullet, cause he was the only
one shooting that kind of bullet...then all hell broke loose...8/30...
KEN20
People were shooting all over the place and when that died down, gordon
went over because Gordon was convinced, I think was born out later, Gordon
was convinced that Chesire had shot Yori...8/48...
Because he heard those two shots so close together, and as he turned,
Yori was going down and of course he thought Yori was dead...8/56...
... and he went over and finished off chesire, at literally point blank
range...and then got out of there. I think that's the scenerio, I think
that's what happened...9/10...
 
The judge knew what instructions he was going to give and he gave the
instructions
10:40 if all the evidence had come out...someone testified that Yori
shot first but he was already down
11:30 I think that those jury instructions would have been wired anyway.
12:20 CARRYING GUNS
If they would have not had guns they wouldn't be on trial. You're in
ND...I fought in the marine core and fought to protect that right...
13:50 ...A clear identification official has a tendency to intimidate
anybody... I don't buy the story...originally they may have not known they
were law enforcement, but they must have identified themselves pretty damn
fast. What group might have been after them?
DARREL GRAF?
15:45 I think in my opinion he made a concious decision and he backed
out and said this isn't right...I think he made a wise decision... he may
be dead if he hadn't.
17:30 if they start accumulating their good time... they'll get out...I
think if they do the required time they'lll get out.
 
BUD WARREN TAPE:
18:25
This is a tape I got from Bud Warren...Bud had taken an interest in
GK because he felt that Chesire was going to get somebody hurt...Chesire
was too eager to take Gordon in... arranged a meeting at a neighbors farm
and they tape-recored the meeting. ...What he testified to, that he declined
to go along and he warned Muir that there could be trouble. ...He had met
with Gordan and tried to convince
him to give himself up...I think this sums up his attitude (on the tape)
21:20 Plays tape "that's Bud Warren"
22:25 I guess that about sums it up...if nothing else...he was a man
of conviction, when his mind was made up, his mind was made up. ..22/49...
22/58...no, I just had one thing I was going to mention to you but not
on tape...23/02...
 
23:23... "You do have that SOB on!"
KEN20
24:00 I got an anonymous phone call of where Yori's gun was...the next
day I disclosed to the judge...they called me and told me it was in the
trash at the mall. If we would have had that before the trial who knows...there
was very little said about it... the jury just saw it as confusing evidence.
25:45
It certainly showed that Muir hit Yori...
I've been accused of a lot of things..
 

BILL KENNELLY INTERVIEW:
 
REEL #21
KENNELLY#21
00:35...A couple of weeks into the trial Bud called me and indicated
he'd been watching the news reports... and I drove up to see him...the Marshal's
service had ordered him not to go down to the trial. ...I called Bud back
and called him as a witness...the second evening he gave me the tape...we
supoened him...that made him very unpopular in the Marhsals service...in
my mind Bud Warren was one of the finest Police officers in the history
of this state...Testimonial for BUD WARRen...I was disappoint in the cloud
he retired in.
 
(END KENNELLY NOTES)

CREDITS
with interviews of...
Joan Kahl
Yorie Kahl
Lynn Crooks
Toots Mathis
Dennis Fisher
John Noah
Irv Nodland
Bill Kennelly
Prof. Ed Gran
Jack McLamb
Delores Everts
Scarlet Skiftu
Herman Widicker
August Pankow
Victor Seil
Marlys Klimek
Ron Perleberg
Len Martin
Brad Kapp
Robert Holiday
Tom Lee
Ed Fitzpatrick
Gene Nail
Buford Terrell
Marlene Gaysek
Bob Ralston
Darrel Graf
Steve Schnabel
Jack Swan
Loreen Dyck
Lorna/Loreen
Mark Stagg
Sheriff Ray Weatherby
Jack Miller
cinematography
Tracy Adams
Allison Hoffman
Jeffrey F. Jackson
production design
Jim Haddon
Peter Lloyd
film editing
Tracy Adams
Martyn Hone
Jeffrey F. Jackson
original music by
Tracy Adams
sound department
Tracy Adams
Jeffrey F. Jackson
stunts
Rex Reddick
produced by
Jeffrey F. Jackson
Angela Kaye
writing by
Jeffrey F. Jackson
directed by
Jeffrey F. Jackson
CHRONOLOGY
A timeline of the life of Gordon Kahl, from early childhood interests, to his marriage to Joan Kahl, his decorated military experience, his outspoken tax protest, the Medina shootout, and his unusual death in Arkansas in 1983.
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VARIETY /   Indie documaker Jeffrey F. Jackson sticks it to the IRS and the Feds in "Death & Taxes," a hard-hitting reinvestigation of the 1983 Gordon Kahl case, about which questions still linger. Jackson's unfazed, investigative reporting-style approach and inventive handling of familiar material make this a controversial item for fests and progressive webs. Non-U.S. viewers will also get a charge out of its conspiracy theme. read more
CHRONICLES MAGAZINE /   Gordon Kahl was a simple farmer who became famous for not filing income tax returns. Imprisoned and hounded by IRS agents who never did prove he owed any amount of money, Kahl and his son were involved in a shootout with police. The son is still serving a prison sentence, but the father was surrounded and shot in Arkansas by police officers who mutilated and burned his body. read more
GUNS & AMMO /   A new video documentary, Death & Taxes, details a case of government murderously out of control that was briefly mentioned in the October 1994 Guns & Ammo article "The Ugly Truth About Gun Control." Death & Taxes is the story of Gordon Kahl, a North Dakota farmer and decorated World War II veteran, and his apparent death at the hands of federal agents. read more
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Manhunt in the Dakotas
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DEATH & TAXES is the story of Gordon Kahl, a North Dakota farmer who became America's "most-wanted" fugitive. How had a WWII war hero become the target of one of the largest manhunts in FBI history? Gordon Kahl U.S. Marshalls Most Wanted Fugitive
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Was Kahl a racist, gun-toting fanatic? Or a victim of an IRS policy of harassing vocal tax protestors into silence to keep the rest of us intimidated? Did Bill Clinton conspire to cover-up the torture and execution of Gordon Kahl in Arkansas? Did federal agents mutilate and burn the body to cover-up the murder of the wrong man?
DEATH & TAXES follows the trail of Gordon Kahl as his body is exhumed for a new autopsy. Building on newsreel clips covering two fiery shootouts and hundreds of interviews -- with IRS agents and federal prosecutors as well as Kahl's family and supporters -- D&T explores the myths and controversies surrounding a man who dared to challenge the federal income tax system. Some revile Kahl as a cop killer. Others revere him as an American patriot. Which was he?
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