Brad Kapp
BRAD KAPP, STUTSMAN COUNTY SHERIFF DEPUTY WHO CALLED THE US MARSHALSTO TELL THEM GORDON WAS AT MEETING IN MEDINA KAPP#14 KAPP#141/03 ...well, while I was at the clinic they brought in Hobsen on a stretcher,and also while I was being treated , Yorie was in the same room with me,he was being treated by Dr. Martin...apparently Gordon and Scott had broughhim in ahead of me... and he was in a lot of pain, I could see that, screamingand yelling and carrying on, his mother was there and at that point, thingswere crazy...I said, I've got to get out of here, I can't stay here...somehowmy wife had found out about what had happened , and she had come down there,she came in the clinic, I told her, you got to get me out of here, takeme to Jamestown to the hospital, she made a phonecall, sherrie Mosher, aneighbor came down and picked us up and took us to Jamestown (PICTURE breaking-UP)...02/48... 3 /50 ...they went into surgery and they didn't know whether they weregoing to save it... 4/17 ...I guess whenever you come out of surgery you're pretty drowsy,my wife was there, they had my hand in a cast...it felt like I still hadmy finger but it wasn't there, ghost feelings I guess, even to this dayI still get em...it feels like it's still there or it itches, but it's not...5/02 5/20 ... but I guess it didn't ,, I healed up rather quickly, I had surgerylater where they reconstructed part of it...bout two years later, the bulletthat went in above my eye , bout two years later I was having trouble withthe muscles in my eye and they went in and removed that...I still have onein my shouderthat they never removed...5/56KAPP#146/05 ...well, ...the bullet, the first one that I took in the hand endedup in the stock of the shotgun, there was schrapnel pieces all over my handfrom it, where it shattered... and then the other ones that I took camethru the door, so they were busted up as they came thru, which probablysaved my life also, a piece went, I guess they call it the brass casingfrom the bullet is what went into my forehead, and pieces went into my arm, and in my face there were pieces all over the side of my face...therewas one bullet hit me right here...but I was wearing a vest, ...a 223 roundwhich they were firing would have came thru the vest on a direct hit, butit came thru the door and hit the vest and that stopped it...7/05...DREAM7/17 ...oh yeas, ...I guess a lot of it, my wife tells me about, there'sa lot of things I do at night that scare her... in the middle of the night,she's told me these things, ...I pull her off the bed and hold her downand things like this, that somebodies coming... just strange things thatnever happened before or she'll wake up and I'll b e putting a chair underthe doorknob of the bedroom trying to keep people out...strange things likethat...I guess the only thing that I've ever dreamt about that I can rememberis that when I do dream it's a violent situation...8/19 ...somebody getting shot, or me having to shoot someone, I don't rememberever dreaming about this particular incident... replaying this whole thing,that's never happened, ...certain things about it...I might have dreamt... 8/59 ... I don't think it's really affected me, ...I've talked to a lotof media personnel...I just tried to tell the story the way it happened...Idon't blame anybody for it happening except the three individuals, Gordonwho is dead now and Scott and Yorie who are in prison...those are the onlypeople I blame for any of this... ...I believe they will some day......9/35... they I think they got sentenced to two life sentences plusfifteen years, in ND a life sentence is twenty years, so they could spend45 - 55 years in jail , but they were both young enough, maybe someday they'llget out, I don't know...how their good time works or any of that... 10/16 ...well when I heard about it I was kind of happy...I don't knowwhere he was to begin with,...I don't know where he is right now, or ifhe's still there...or whwere he is...but I did hear he was down south ina penitenitary with a bunch of black people, and I thought well maybe that'sgood for him...10/50 ... one of their big things was they hated jews, theyhated blacks... they were the supreme race, ...just like naziism or theKKK, or whatever you want to call it... it's all the same thing, just differentnames, posse comitatus, aryan nation, it's all the same thing... they probablygot a thousand names they call themselves, but it's basically the same beliefs...it a religious beliefs... they don't like jews and they believe the jewsrun the govt. and the banks,... and the blacks, now where the blacks comein I'm not very sure...11/33... 11/36 ... I haven't read the whole book yet, I ahve several copies ofit, I haven't sat down to read it, my wife has read it, my daughter hasread it and a lot of people I know have read it... she thought it was okay,she figured that the author did a good job in the book... he, ...12/09...the first part of the book is basically all about me and whatI was thinking that day or during the shootout...where he got his informationfrom I don't know? (smiles) ...cause I never talked to the man myself, ...Italked to an individual once, but it wasn't him...how he got my feelings...everything he wrote in there was exactly how I felt...he did a good jobin writing it... TV MOVIE ACTOR 12/54 ...I GUESS I don't know...I like Nick Nolte...I'd like to see it.... 13/33 ...well, I probably won't sleep for a couple days now, becauseeven thinking about it again, going thru the whole thing, ...it upsets meeven now... not that it scares me...it just I get upset that the whole thingeven happened...it upsets me that those marshals died...I feel that that'sprobably my fault... I did everything that I thought I could do that dayor tried to, but, you know, like I said earlier, hindsight is better thanforesight, but I don't know why...there should have been people dead thatday, but it shouldn't have been law enforcement officers...14/28 ... 14/35 ... they had, they sent in this psychitrist in to see me whileI was in the hopsital, I was in for about a week... I don't believe in anyof that crap by the way... they did do that ...they didn't find anythingwrong, they said I was fine...that it would not affect me in any way, andI don't believe it has...the only way that it's affected me, is that I tryto do my job a little bit better and a little more careful...if I do gointo a situation where I think there might be a possiblity that someonemight get hurt...I take precaustions for the other officers, cause normallyyou're not by yourself when you do those kind of things... 15/54...well, I've always gotten good support from fellow officers inthis area... and good support from US Marshals service... 16/36 ...I guess I feel that and a lot of people in Medina say why medina...Iguess no matter where he would have been confronted you would have had thesame results...no mattter where it was, in another state, at his home, whereever...nowwhy he was never picked up on this warrant before, I don't know...I heardthat they tried to serve it several times...I don't know why it was neverserve...if the guy was living in my county he'd have been arrested longbefore then...cause I belive the warrant was almost two years old ...ifthe marshals would have ever contacted me and said, I got a warrant forthis guy he lives in your county, he farms there, within a week he'd ofbeen in jail... 17/40...KAPP#1417/44... no, I guess I never wishd that... the only thing I do wisht,it still upsets me that we stood there and let these fellows point gunsat us and we didn't do anything about it...except yell at them...and likeI said before, the first guy who pulled a trigger, somebodies dead and that'swhat happened...18/05?...far as I believe Yori pulled the trigger and killedRobert Chesire...later on, after, I didn't know how bad he was hit at thetime, but the first bullet he took went into his heart,...so he would havedied or at least that's what the doctors said...that performed the autopsyor whatever...18/40 18/48 ...well, I'm not a real big fan of attnys...I hate attorneys ,all the wishy washy crap that they come up with, to try and get somebodyoff...lie, and,,, I've never seen a defense attny yet who didn't make hisclient lie and if they say they don't they're full of shit. ...I have notime for defense attny's whatsoever...at the trial , they brought up somuch crap in the trial about, an ambush type of situation...I suppose youcould call it that...you know, it's basically what it was, but we were thereto arrest him, to do a job...we did it, we did ambush him...but we didn'tambush him to kill him...it was just to arrest him...he made that choiceon his own... I am not somebody who goes around and kills people...that'snot what I do. If I have to I will. But, that's not what I do...if I haveto kill someone to protect myslef or someone else I will do that...but andI won''t feel bad about it either... 20/19 ...I had several threats from those people afterwards...at onepoint this Jim Wickstrom...on the news he made a statement, that when theywant me, they'll just come and get me...and also I heard a lot of things...that this group, the posse comitatus had a price on my head...they wereoffering so much money for anybody that would kill me...never did botherme,... they wanna come, come on...I'm here, I didn't move, I'm not hidingfrom anybody...there was a lot of threats...they sent me on vacation a lotof times to get me out of the state... ...21/27 ...uhh, three days before they had the incident with Gordonin Ark. they called me...and they didn't tell me at the time, which kindof upset me...they told me to be careful...to watch myself the next fewdays, but they didn't tell me why...but afterwards, they told me...Gordonwas in texas, but he was working his way back here, he was in ark. at thetime, but he was headed here. And the reason he was headed here was tokill me and Darral Graf and this was where he would make his last stand...(whotold you that) ... I believe it was one of the marshals, I don't rememberwhich one it was exactly, but, told me taht later, cause that was what hisdaughter that turned him in... KAREN THE SQEALER......22/20 ...or who actually turned him in, ...but whoever did actuallytell the marshals where he was at, told them this...that tha'ts what hisplans were, that he was coming back to ND, cause he knew eventually he'dbe captured or be shot and killed or whatever ...which he chosed to do Iguess...so he figured as long as he was going, he was going t to take meand Graf along with him. Which was fine with me, you know , I'd a liketo have a second shot at him. It wouldn't have hurt my feelings at all...23/01... 23/32 ... I'm sure they'll deny anything, like threatening me or havinga bounty on my head...that's just the kind of people they are... FOOTAGE OF BRAD KAPP COMING OUT OF HOUSE AND GETTING IN POLICE CAR ANDDRIVING OFF...AND COMING BACK AND GOING INTO THE HOUSE... "here heis coming home , he forgot his dick..."
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A timeline of the life of Gordon Kahl, from early childhood interests, to his marriage to Joan Kahl, his decorated military experience,
his outspoken tax protest, the Medina shootout, and his unusual death in Arkansas in 1983.
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VARIETY / Indie documaker Jeffrey F. Jackson sticks it to the IRS and the Feds in "Death & Taxes," a hard-hitting reinvestigation of the 1983 Gordon Kahl case, about which questions still linger. Jackson's unfazed, investigative reporting-style approach and inventive handling of familiar material make this a controversial item for fests and progressive webs. Non-U.S. viewers will also get a charge out of its conspiracy theme. read more
CHRONICLES MAGAZINE / Gordon Kahl was a simple farmer who became famous for not filing income tax returns. Imprisoned and hounded by IRS agents who never did prove he owed any amount of money, Kahl and his son were involved in a shootout with police. The son is still serving a prison sentence, but the father was surrounded and shot in Arkansas by police officers who mutilated and burned his body. read more
GUNS & AMMO / A new video documentary, Death & Taxes, details a case of government murderously out of control that was briefly mentioned in the October 1994 Guns & Ammo article "The Ugly Truth About Gun Control." Death & Taxes is the story of Gordon Kahl, a North Dakota farmer and decorated World War II veteran, and his apparent death at the hands of federal agents. read more
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Now Available!This set of 6 DVD's comprises over 13 hours of uncut footage, including a 2+ hour prison interview with Yorie Kahl, and candid interviews with wife Joan Kahl. In this rich stockpile of research, you'll find many more threads than could reasonably be pursued in the final feature.
The Death & Taxes Miniseries DVD Set Includes...
01: Gordon Kahl Meets With Head North Dakota U.S. Marshal Bud Warren (60 min)
02: The Beginning: Gordon Kahl's military experience and views on a variety of subjects (93 min)
03: Gordon's Texas Tax Trial (90 min)
04: Medina Shootout (60 min)
05: Gordon Kahl Was...: A montage of over 25 people describing who Gordon Kahl was in their eyes. (50 min)
06: Mysterious Death In Arkansas (90 min)
07: Media Circus: Chronological portrayal of Gordon Kahl in the media (70 min)
08: Yorie Kahl Prison Interview (150 min)
09: Joan Kahl Uncut Interviews (120 min)
A little-known fact regarding Death & Taxes is the surprising connection to Timothy McVeigh and the ATF / Oklahoma City Bombing. Here's a clip of Jackson sharing the story during a director's commentary on his film Postal Worker.
The story of Gordon Kahl so captured the attention of mainstream America that it was turned into a highly-rated made-for-television movie titled
In The Line of Duty - Manhunt In The Dakotas.
DEATH & TAXES is the story of Gordon Kahl, a North Dakota farmer who became America's "most-wanted" fugitive. How had a WWII war hero become the target of one of the largest manhunts in FBI history?
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The badly burned remains of Gordon Kahl, with an island of skin that shows he was in a prone position at the time of the fire.
Was Kahl a racist, gun-toting fanatic? Or a victim of an IRS policy of harassing vocal tax protestors into silence to keep the rest of us intimidated? Did Bill Clinton conspire to cover-up the torture and execution of Gordon Kahl in Arkansas? Did federal agents mutilate and burn the body to cover-up the murder of the wrong man?
DEATH & TAXES follows the trail of Gordon Kahl as his body is exhumed for a new autopsy. Building on newsreel clips covering two fiery shootouts and hundreds of interviews -- with IRS agents and federal prosecutors as well as Kahl's family and supporters -- D&T explores the myths and controversies surrounding a man who dared to challenge the federal income tax system. Some revile Kahl as a cop killer. Others revere him as an American patriot. Which was he?
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