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Brad Kapp

1/03 ...well, while I was at the clinic they brought in Hobsen on a stretcher,
and also while I was being treated , Yorie was in the same room with me,
he was being treated by Dr. Martin...apparently Gordon and Scott had brough
him in ahead of me... and he was in a lot of pain, I could see that, screaming
and yelling and carrying on, his mother was there and at that point, things
were crazy...I said, I've got to get out of here, I can't stay here...somehow
my wife had found out about what had happened , and she had come down there,
she came in the clinic, I told her, you got to get me out of here, take
me to Jamestown to the hospital, she made a phonecall, sherrie Mosher, a
neighbor came down and picked us up and took us to Jamestown (PICTURE breaking-UP)...02/48...
3 /50 ...they went into surgery and they didn't know whether they were
going to save it...
4/17 ...I guess whenever you come out of surgery you're pretty drowsy,
my wife was there, they had my hand in a cast...it felt like I still had
my finger but it wasn't there, ghost feelings I guess, even to this day
I still get em...it feels like it's still there or it itches, but it's not...5/02
5/20 ... but I guess it didn't ,, I healed up rather quickly, I had surgery
later where they reconstructed part of it...bout two years later, the bullet
that went in above my eye , bout two years later I was having trouble with
the muscles in my eye and they went in and removed that...I still have one
in my shouderthat they never removed...5/56
6/05 ...well, ...the bullet, the first one that I took in the hand ended
up in the stock of the shotgun, there was schrapnel pieces all over my hand
from it, where it shattered... and then the other ones that I took came
thru the door, so they were busted up as they came thru, which probably
saved my life also, a piece went, I guess they call it the brass casing
from the bullet is what went into my forehead, and pieces went into my arm
, and in my face there were pieces all over the side of my face...there
was one bullet hit me right here...but I was wearing a vest, ...a 223 round
which they were firing would have came thru the vest on a direct hit, but
it came thru the door and hit the vest and that stopped it...7/05...
7/17 ...oh yeas, ...I guess a lot of it, my wife tells me about, there's
a lot of things I do at night that scare her... in the middle of the night,
she's told me these things, ...I pull her off the bed and hold her down
and things like this, that somebodies coming... just strange things that
never happened before or she'll wake up and I'll b e putting a chair under
the doorknob of the bedroom trying to keep people out...strange things like
that...I guess the only thing that I've ever dreamt about that I can remember
is that when I do dream it's a violent situation...8/19 ...
somebody getting shot, or me having to shoot someone, I don't remember
ever dreaming about this particular incident... replaying this whole thing,
that's never happened, ...certain things about it...I might have dreamt...
8/59 ... I don't think it's really affected me, ...I've talked to a lot
of media personnel...I just tried to tell the story the way it happened...I
don't blame anybody for it happening except the three individuals, Gordon
who is dead now and Scott and Yorie who are in prison...those are the only
people I blame for any of this...
...I believe they will some day...
...9/35... they I think they got sentenced to two life sentences plus
fifteen years, in ND a life sentence is twenty years, so they could spend
45 - 55 years in jail , but they were both young enough, maybe someday they'll
get out, I don't know...how their good time works or any of that...
10/16 ...well when I heard about it I was kind of happy...I don't know
where he was to begin with,...I don't know where he is right now, or if
he's still there...or whwere he is...but I did hear he was down south in
a penitenitary with a bunch of black people, and I thought well maybe that's
good for him...10/50 ... one of their big things was they hated jews, they
hated blacks... they were the supreme race, ...just like naziism or the
KKK, or whatever you want to call it... it's all the same thing, just different
names, posse comitatus, aryan nation, it's all the same thing... they probably
got a thousand names they call themselves, but it's basically the same beliefs...
it a religious beliefs... they don't like jews and they believe the jews
run the govt. and the banks,... and the blacks, now where the blacks come
in I'm not very sure...11/33...
11/36 ... I haven't read the whole book yet, I ahve several copies of
it, I haven't sat down to read it, my wife has read it, my daughter has
read it and a lot of people I know have read it... she thought it was okay,
she figured that the author did a good job in the book... he,
...12/09...the first part of the book is basically all about me and what
I was thinking that day or during the shootout...where he got his information
from I don't know? (smiles) ...cause I never talked to the man myself, ...I
talked to an individual once, but it wasn't him...how he got my feelings...
everything he wrote in there was exactly how I felt...he did a good job
in writing it...
12/54 ...I GUESS I don't know...I like Nick Nolte...I'd like to see it.
13/33 ...well, I probably won't sleep for a couple days now, because
even thinking about it again, going thru the whole thing, ...it upsets me
even now... not that it scares me...it just I get upset that the whole thing
even happened...it upsets me that those marshals died...I feel that that's
probably my fault... I did everything that I thought I could do that day
or tried to, but, you know, like I said earlier, hindsight is better than
foresight, but I don't know why...there should have been people dead that
day, but it shouldn't have been law enforcement officers...14/28 ...
14/35 ... they had, they sent in this psychitrist in to see me while
I was in the hopsital, I was in for about a week... I don't believe in any
of that crap by the way... they did do that ...they didn't find anything
wrong, they said I was fine...that it would not affect me in any way, and
I don't believe it has...the only way that it's affected me, is that I try
to do my job a little bit better and a little more careful...if I do go
into a situation where I think there might be a possiblity that someone
might get hurt...I take precaustions for the other officers, cause normally
you're not by yourself when you do those kind of things...
15/54...well, I've always gotten good support from fellow officers in
this area... and good support from US Marshals service...
16/36 ...I guess I feel that and a lot of people in Medina say why medina...I
guess no matter where he would have been confronted you would have had the
same results...no mattter where it was, in another state, at his home, whereever...now
why he was never picked up on this warrant before, I don't know...I heard
that they tried to serve it several times...I don't know why it was never
serve...if the guy was living in my county he'd have been arrested long
before then...cause I belive the warrant was almost two years old ...if
the marshals would have ever contacted me and said, I got a warrant for
this guy he lives in your county, he farms there, within a week he'd of
been in jail... 17/40...
17/44... no, I guess I never wishd that... the only thing I do wisht,
it still upsets me that we stood there and let these fellows point guns
at us and we didn't do anything about it...except yell at them...and like
I said before, the first guy who pulled a trigger, somebodies dead and that's
what happened...18/05?...far as I believe Yori pulled the trigger and killed
Robert Chesire...later on, after, I didn't know how bad he was hit at the
time, but the first bullet he took went into his heart,...so he would have
died or at least that's what the doctors said...that performed the autopsy
or whatever...18/40
18/48 ...well, I'm not a real big fan of attnys...I hate attorneys ,
all the wishy washy crap that they come up with, to try and get somebody
off...lie, and,,, I've never seen a defense attny yet who didn't make his
client lie and if they say they don't they're full of shit. ...I have no
time for defense attny's whatsoever...at the trial , they brought up so
much crap in the trial about, an ambush type of situation...I suppose you
could call it that...you know, it's basically what it was, but we were there
to arrest him, to do a job...we did it, we did ambush him...but we didn't
ambush him to kill him...it was just to arrest him...he made that choice
on his own... I am not somebody who goes around and kills people...that's
not what I do. If I have to I will. But, that's not what I do...if I have
to kill someone to protect myslef or someone else I will do that...but and
I won''t feel bad about it either...
20/19 ...I had several threats from those people afterwards...at one
point this Jim Wickstrom...on the news he made a statement, that when they
want me, they'll just come and get me...and also I heard a lot of things
...that this group, the posse comitatus had a price on my head...they were
offering so much money for anybody that would kill me...never did bother
me,... they wanna come, come on...I'm here, I didn't move, I'm not hiding
from anybody...there was a lot of threats...they sent me on vacation a lot
of times to get me out of the state...
...21/27 ...uhh, three days before they had the incident with Gordon
in Ark. they called me...and they didn't tell me at the time, which kind
of upset me...they told me to be careful...to watch myself the next few
days, but they didn't tell me why...but afterwards, they told me...Gordon
was in texas, but he was working his way back here, he was in ark. at the
time, but he was headed here. And the reason he was headed here was to
kill me and Darral Graf and this was where he would make his last stand...(who
told you that) ... I believe it was one of the marshals, I don't remember
which one it was exactly, but, told me taht later, cause that was what his
daughter that turned him in...
...22/20 ...or who actually turned him in, ...but whoever did actually
tell the marshals where he was at, told them this...that tha'ts what his
plans were, that he was coming back to ND, cause he knew eventually he'd
be captured or be shot and killed or whatever ...which he chosed to do I
guess...so he figured as long as he was going, he was going t to take me
and Graf along with him. Which was fine with me, you know , I'd a like
to have a second shot at him. It wouldn't have hurt my feelings at all...23/01...
23/32 ... I'm sure they'll deny anything, like threatening me or having
a bounty on my head...that's just the kind of people they are...
is coming home , he forgot his dick..."
with interviews of...
Joan Kahl
Yorie Kahl
Lynn Crooks
Toots Mathis
Dennis Fisher
John Noah
Irv Nodland
Bill Kennelly
Prof. Ed Gran
Jack McLamb
Delores Everts
Scarlet Skiftu
Herman Widicker
August Pankow
Victor Seil
Marlys Klimek
Ron Perleberg
Len Martin
Brad Kapp
Robert Holiday
Tom Lee
Ed Fitzpatrick
Gene Nail
Buford Terrell
Marlene Gaysek
Bob Ralston
Darrel Graf
Steve Schnabel
Jack Swan
Loreen Dyck
Mark Stagg
Sheriff Ray Weatherby
Jack Miller
Tracy Adams
Allison Hoffman
Jeffrey F. Jackson
production design
Jim Haddon
Peter Lloyd
film editing
Tracy Adams
Martyn Hone
Jeffrey F. Jackson
original music by
Tracy Adams
sound department
Tracy Adams
Jeffrey F. Jackson
Rex Reddick
produced by
Jeffrey F. Jackson
Angela Kaye
writing by
Jeffrey F. Jackson
directed by
Jeffrey F. Jackson
A timeline of the life of Gordon Kahl, from early childhood interests, to his marriage to Joan Kahl, his decorated military experience, his outspoken tax protest, the Medina shootout, and his unusual death in Arkansas in 1983.
VARIETY /   Indie documaker Jeffrey F. Jackson sticks it to the IRS and the Feds in "Death & Taxes," a hard-hitting reinvestigation of the 1983 Gordon Kahl case, about which questions still linger. Jackson's unfazed, investigative reporting-style approach and inventive handling of familiar material make this a controversial item for fests and progressive webs. Non-U.S. viewers will also get a charge out of its conspiracy theme. read more
CHRONICLES MAGAZINE /   Gordon Kahl was a simple farmer who became famous for not filing income tax returns. Imprisoned and hounded by IRS agents who never did prove he owed any amount of money, Kahl and his son were involved in a shootout with police. The son is still serving a prison sentence, but the father was surrounded and shot in Arkansas by police officers who mutilated and burned his body. read more
GUNS & AMMO /   A new video documentary, Death & Taxes, details a case of government murderously out of control that was briefly mentioned in the October 1994 Guns & Ammo article "The Ugly Truth About Gun Control." Death & Taxes is the story of Gordon Kahl, a North Dakota farmer and decorated World War II veteran, and his apparent death at the hands of federal agents. read more
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Death & Taxes (DVD)
First time on DVD (113 min)
Death & Taxes (VHS)
This is a limited edition collector's VHS in the original unbroken packaging. (113 min)
Death & Taxes Miniseries (DVD)
Set of 6 DVD's comprising the complete uncut footage from the documentary film project. (783 min)
Gordon Kahl: Godfather of the militia movement
Now Available!
This set of 6 DVD's comprises over 13 hours of uncut footage, including a 2+ hour prison interview with Yorie Kahl, and candid interviews with wife Joan Kahl. In this rich stockpile of research, you'll find many more threads than could reasonably be pursued in the final feature.
The Death & Taxes Miniseries DVD Set Includes...
01: Gordon Kahl Meets With Head North Dakota U.S. Marshal Bud Warren (60 min)
02: The Beginning: Gordon Kahl's military experience and views on a variety of subjects (93 min)
03: Gordon's Texas Tax Trial (90 min)
04: Medina Shootout (60 min)
05: Gordon Kahl Was...: A montage of over 25 people describing who Gordon Kahl was in their eyes. (50 min)
06: Mysterious Death In Arkansas (90 min)
07: Media Circus: Chronological portrayal of Gordon Kahl in the media (70 min)
08: Yorie Kahl Prison Interview (150 min)
09: Joan Kahl Uncut Interviews (120 min)
The connection between Gordon Kahl, Timothy McVeigh, and the Oklahoma City Bombing
A little-known fact regarding Death & Taxes is the surprising connection to Timothy McVeigh and the ATF / Oklahoma City Bombing. Here's a clip of Jackson sharing the story during a director's commentary on his film Postal Worker.
Manhunt in the Dakotas
The story of Gordon Kahl so captured the attention of mainstream America that it was turned into a highly-rated made-for-television movie titled In The Line of Duty - Manhunt In The Dakotas.

DEATH & TAXES is the story of Gordon Kahl, a North Dakota farmer who became America's "most-wanted" fugitive. How had a WWII war hero become the target of one of the largest manhunts in FBI history? Gordon Kahl U.S. Marshalls Most Wanted Fugitive
Gordon Kahl's charred and burned remains were reexamined after his exhumation. The island of unburned skin shows that Kahl's body was likely positioned against the floor at the time he was set on fire.
The badly burned remains of Gordon Kahl, with an island of skin that shows he was in a prone position at the time of the fire.
Was Kahl a racist, gun-toting fanatic? Or a victim of an IRS policy of harassing vocal tax protestors into silence to keep the rest of us intimidated? Did Bill Clinton conspire to cover-up the torture and execution of Gordon Kahl in Arkansas? Did federal agents mutilate and burn the body to cover-up the murder of the wrong man?
DEATH & TAXES follows the trail of Gordon Kahl as his body is exhumed for a new autopsy. Building on newsreel clips covering two fiery shootouts and hundreds of interviews -- with IRS agents and federal prosecutors as well as Kahl's family and supporters -- D&T explores the myths and controversies surrounding a man who dared to challenge the federal income tax system. Some revile Kahl as a cop killer. Others revere him as an American patriot. Which was he?