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Ron Perleberg

A # RON PERLEBERG, was the part time deputy reserve who heard Yorie's
confession in the hospital room, coming out from major anethesia.
I was telling about Yori when he talked about the shooting. And he had
mentioned that he had shot at that man in the white shirt by the Ram charger.
And, then he turned to look at his dad. And, then Yori said that he was
hit. And then--I'd mentioned that well, you have that cut under the chin,
sideways cut on the chin, that explains how you got that cut. And, then
he again mentioned to me. He said, I could have got it afterwards cause
I was shot several times after laying on the ground.
As far as the notes, this is the last, the 16th is the last day I really
talked to him in detail. Then he talked to the marshalls in the and our
chief deputy. And, from then on he never said anything more. After that
he was a lot more coherent.
I don't remember now. Yeah, there was some lawyers that come up. That's
right. After he gave his statement though--on the 16th he just kind of
quieted down. I think he started realizing that maybe I don't want to talk
too much.
You know I don't recall that. They read him his rights. They made the
arrest there. But, I don't recall any areignments going on in the hospital,
I would work normally from one o'clock to nine o'clock. One o'clock
in the morning to nine o'clock in the morning.
The first night I went about ten o'clock (nine/ten o'clock) and started
then. But once we got on the schedule, I just stayed on the one to nine.
No, tell the truth they never bothered him much at all, execpt they came
up that day with our deputy Jack Miller. Otherwise they didn't really bother
us at the hospital.
Nothing other than really that he was very devoted to his father. That
was first with him.
No. No.
No. Just for testifying. That was it.
I sat through some of the trial.
That's tough. When we got down there--before we went to the trial, we
went down and, we went through it all with the prosecutors. Lynn Crooks
and Dennis Fisher. We went through a lot of it. And, they gave you instructions
of court room procedure, and all this. I'd never been in a big trial before.
And, so in a way I was nervous. And, it's differnt going in there you
can confront the whole family more or less. To testify against a man that,
you know, if he's found guilty he's going to be in prison. I kind of felt
sad for him in a way because he had a wife and young children. And, so
I could reflect on that. I though, well, I'll just tell what I know and
that's it. As far as when the trial is over, I really didn't feel like
we won, or anything. To me it was a bad situation all the way around.
I had to feel sorry for Yori because, I knew he was caught-up in his father.
I'm sure Yori did just by me talking to him in the hospital. When he
was partially sedated, he could could come out and tell that he did it.
To me that's more honesty than when you're fully coherent and know how
to cover it up.
Not really, never got bothered by anybody. It's just something they
let go. It happened. It's over.
Not really. No. As far as the public opinion, I don't think there was
really hard feelings one way or the other.
Not really. I guess the only thing that I thought was interesting was
that each one of them had their own lawyer. Yori had a lawyer. Scott Fall
had a lwyer. His mother had a lawyer.And, it got to be really time consuming
that way, 'cause you had to relay your whole story to each one of them.
And, I felt like after the second one, that this is getting tough because
you could start to forget some of this after a while you keep telling it
over and over again. But, anyway it didn't happen.
Oh, yes well that's a good lawyer. And, they were good lawyers. I think
they were well represented.
I would say so yeah.
Well, you can recute the judge, but the story is still the same. Facts
are facts.
No. I guess when you called--can I remember all this. It was some years
ago. But it does some back pretty good once you start talking about it.
I can picture the whole thing again.

with interviews of...
Joan Kahl
Yorie Kahl
Lynn Crooks
Toots Mathis
Dennis Fisher
John Noah
Irv Nodland
Bill Kennelly
Prof. Ed Gran
Jack McLamb
Delores Everts
Scarlet Skiftu
Herman Widicker
August Pankow
Victor Seil
Marlys Klimek
Ron Perleberg
Len Martin
Brad Kapp
Robert Holiday
Tom Lee
Ed Fitzpatrick
Gene Nail
Buford Terrell
Marlene Gaysek
Bob Ralston
Darrel Graf
Steve Schnabel
Jack Swan
Loreen Dyck
Mark Stagg
Sheriff Ray Weatherby
Jack Miller
Tracy Adams
Allison Hoffman
Jeffrey F. Jackson
production design
Jim Haddon
Peter Lloyd
film editing
Tracy Adams
Martyn Hone
Jeffrey F. Jackson
original music by
Tracy Adams
sound department
Tracy Adams
Jeffrey F. Jackson
Rex Reddick
produced by
Jeffrey F. Jackson
Angela Kaye
writing by
Jeffrey F. Jackson
directed by
Jeffrey F. Jackson
A timeline of the life of Gordon Kahl, from early childhood interests, to his marriage to Joan Kahl, his decorated military experience, his outspoken tax protest, the Medina shootout, and his unusual death in Arkansas in 1983.
VARIETY /   Indie documaker Jeffrey F. Jackson sticks it to the IRS and the Feds in "Death & Taxes," a hard-hitting reinvestigation of the 1983 Gordon Kahl case, about which questions still linger. Jackson's unfazed, investigative reporting-style approach and inventive handling of familiar material make this a controversial item for fests and progressive webs. Non-U.S. viewers will also get a charge out of its conspiracy theme. read more
CHRONICLES MAGAZINE /   Gordon Kahl was a simple farmer who became famous for not filing income tax returns. Imprisoned and hounded by IRS agents who never did prove he owed any amount of money, Kahl and his son were involved in a shootout with police. The son is still serving a prison sentence, but the father was surrounded and shot in Arkansas by police officers who mutilated and burned his body. read more
GUNS & AMMO /   A new video documentary, Death & Taxes, details a case of government murderously out of control that was briefly mentioned in the October 1994 Guns & Ammo article "The Ugly Truth About Gun Control." Death & Taxes is the story of Gordon Kahl, a North Dakota farmer and decorated World War II veteran, and his apparent death at the hands of federal agents. read more
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Death & Taxes (DVD)
First time on DVD (113 min)
Death & Taxes (VHS)
This is a limited edition collector's VHS in the original unbroken packaging. (113 min)
Death & Taxes Miniseries (DVD)
Set of 6 DVD's comprising the complete uncut footage from the documentary film project. (783 min)
Gordon Kahl: Godfather of the militia movement
Now Available!
This set of 6 DVD's comprises over 13 hours of uncut footage, including a 2+ hour prison interview with Yorie Kahl, and candid interviews with wife Joan Kahl. In this rich stockpile of research, you'll find many more threads than could reasonably be pursued in the final feature.
The Death & Taxes Miniseries DVD Set Includes...
01: Gordon Kahl Meets With Head North Dakota U.S. Marshal Bud Warren (60 min)
02: The Beginning: Gordon Kahl's military experience and views on a variety of subjects (93 min)
03: Gordon's Texas Tax Trial (90 min)
04: Medina Shootout (60 min)
05: Gordon Kahl Was...: A montage of over 25 people describing who Gordon Kahl was in their eyes. (50 min)
06: Mysterious Death In Arkansas (90 min)
07: Media Circus: Chronological portrayal of Gordon Kahl in the media (70 min)
08: Yorie Kahl Prison Interview (150 min)
09: Joan Kahl Uncut Interviews (120 min)
The connection between Gordon Kahl, Timothy McVeigh, and the Oklahoma City Bombing
A little-known fact regarding Death & Taxes is the surprising connection to Timothy McVeigh and the ATF / Oklahoma City Bombing. Here's a clip of Jackson sharing the story during a director's commentary on his film Postal Worker.
Manhunt in the Dakotas
The story of Gordon Kahl so captured the attention of mainstream America that it was turned into a highly-rated made-for-television movie titled In The Line of Duty - Manhunt In The Dakotas.

DEATH & TAXES is the story of Gordon Kahl, a North Dakota farmer who became America's "most-wanted" fugitive. How had a WWII war hero become the target of one of the largest manhunts in FBI history? Gordon Kahl U.S. Marshalls Most Wanted Fugitive
Gordon Kahl's charred and burned remains were reexamined after his exhumation. The island of unburned skin shows that Kahl's body was likely positioned against the floor at the time he was set on fire.
The badly burned remains of Gordon Kahl, with an island of skin that shows he was in a prone position at the time of the fire.
Was Kahl a racist, gun-toting fanatic? Or a victim of an IRS policy of harassing vocal tax protestors into silence to keep the rest of us intimidated? Did Bill Clinton conspire to cover-up the torture and execution of Gordon Kahl in Arkansas? Did federal agents mutilate and burn the body to cover-up the murder of the wrong man?
DEATH & TAXES follows the trail of Gordon Kahl as his body is exhumed for a new autopsy. Building on newsreel clips covering two fiery shootouts and hundreds of interviews -- with IRS agents and federal prosecutors as well as Kahl's family and supporters -- D&T explores the myths and controversies surrounding a man who dared to challenge the federal income tax system. Some revile Kahl as a cop killer. Others revere him as an American patriot. Which was he?