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Sheriff Ray Weatherby

30/28...Raymond Weatherby, sheriff Crane County, and I was raised here
in Crane County, graduated from school here and I went into office in 1957...and
I been in office ever since, and this is my last time, I'm going to retire
after this term...got two more years left this term and then I'll be out...
...that's it I'm going to retire ....
...you know do what you want to do...it's no big deal, I'm going to
retire right here in Crane...
...31/38...I was elected constable two years before I run for sheriff
and this old boy come talked to me about running and so I put my hat in
and was elected constable...and the next term, it was two year term, the
next term, the old sheriff was here, didn't run, so I threw my hat in that
and I was me and Smokey Swift was in a runoff, but I guess, getting back
to your question, was that after elected to constable several people come
and asked me to run for sheriff and so, that's the reason I got involved
with it...32/28...
....32/30 ... I don't really remember just exactly when gordon moved
here to Crane , but I mean I knew of him, when he moved here and didn't
know that much about gordon at that time, and time went on and you'd hear
a few more things about him and different things like that...32/47...
...and, then after taht, I got to know him after that, I sure did...32/52...
...32/57...Gokrdon was not a radical man, here in our community. I know
he did get the sheriff's posse Comitatus started here in Crane. And he
had several members in there, I knew they had badges and different things
like that...fact, gordon had a dodge pickup, that he rode around in and
it had a sheriff's posse comitatus star on both sides of it...33/25...
...and, they was nothing ever said or done anything about it, it just
wasn't that strong. It's mostly that they didn't believe in taxes. Is my
understanding on the deal. And also that the sheriff was the only law enforcement
officer in the county as far as they was concerned. And If it was a bad
enough crime they believed in hanging em at the at the ohh, whether is was
suppossed to be at the courthouse at twelve noon or whether it was on the
main street at twelve noon or a busy intersection or something or other...34/05...
...I don't remember just exactly what it was, but that's was one of
the beliefs but they didn't push everything that they believed there. At
least that's my belief that they didn't now...34/17...
...34/19...There wasn't any hung here...(laughs)...but they wasn't,
they had meetings...but they wasn't that active in anything as far as the
public, or trying to enforce anything or anything like that, they do any
of that at all...34/39...
...34/46...well, it's my understanding that that is their belief, that
the sheriff is the chief law enforcement officer of the county which he
is. And they believe that's the only that had any authority. was the sheriff.
That's just part of their belief. I mean it wasn't necessary. I didn't have
to go to anything that they ever had, or wasn't called on anything that
they had...it was jsut that they had a few meetings around, it started out
they had quite a few members and they gradually dropped off...35/23...
...and there was a few articles in the paper everynow and then, once
in a while about, somebody writing something in it, then another one jumps
in and another one jumps out, so it was just a kind of go and come deal
kind of thing you might say...35/37...
...35/40...They wasn't a vigilante type at all. I wouldn't put it that
a way...
...35/55...no, I really didn't. I had gordan in jail one time here...the
city police, he had a boy that was underage to drive and invariably he'd
keep driving. The chief and one of his captains, my understanding went and
talked with him and told him, if you don't keep that kid out of that car,
they were going to fine him for letting an unauthorized person drive his
...and that kept going on and they went and got him one afternoon and
put him in jail. He refused to pay fine, or bond or anything. But, I think
he was in there overnight and maybe the next day he got out...36/45...
...this was a refused to pay fine or bond and he did have a texas drivers
license, he was fined a hundred and two dollars and fifty cents. And that
was 5/17/76. is when this happened. ...he was rleased at five twelve seventeen
pm on the seventeenth...
...that's the only thing I ever had on him...37/35...
...I'm not going to say which boy it was, he had two boys here and I
don't remember exactly which boy it was...37/46...
...and the kid also had, the license plates on his vehicle was painted
to be, to look like it was currently registered and the car was not registered
and he had painted over it, it looked like the genuine thing, but it wasn't...38/14...
...they might have got the kid for that, I don't remember, but, a juvenile,
you can't do nothing to them anyway, so, you got pass that to another court
and more then likely he was a juvenile at that time...
...38/34...no, sir not really, he really didn't. He had come in a time
or two and talked but it really wasn't about this...yes sire, gordon never
did do anything out of line as far as I was concerned, he sure didn't...38/54...
...39/05...no sir, I really don't...
...39/12...well I beleive it was from his income tax wasn't it. It was
my understanding that he didn't believe in it. That was the one thing they
didn't believe in filing. I guess what the whole deal was....that's kinda
of what started the whole thing with him is my understanding, is that he
didn't file any income tax...39/35...
...40/01...uhh the FBI came by and talked with us. yes they did and
I had several news reporters call in because he had lived here...
...40/26...no sir, what I heard, it could break loose anytime, I heard
gordon's house was backed with guns and ammunition from the word go, and
gordon I guess he'd been gone from two years...and like I'm saying, it's
just something that someone else told me, they said he had guns...
...41/05...for a while gordon would come down here and work and then
he had a farm back in ...and he would go back up there and come back down
here and work and eventually he staid down here and worked....somebody said
that he had a basement at home full of guns, and he was ready if something
come up...and that was just rumors I heard at that time...41/44...
...41/50...I never seen him carry a gun at all. I mean he'd be in violation
of the law if he was carrying a gun. I mean a citizen in texas doesn't have
a right to carry a gun unless they're a law enforcement officer...and he
not no law enforcement officer...no si , I never seen the man carry a gun
at all...42/14...
...42/30...I'm gonna say he was probably one of the biggest leaders
that they had in that posse comiatus because Gordon believed in it. He actually
believed in it. I have got a check in my pocket if you want to see what
they believed in paying their taxes with...42/45...
...now this was give to me by somebody and it's damn near wore out...I
checked this morning to see if I've still got it...
somebody brought it in here and gave it too me...
I don't even remember who brought it in here and gave it too me, it's
been that long ago...
...43/23...on the back is your main thing, when you sign it...is what
it says...
...43/35...under penalty of perjery the undersigned swears that the
monies on the face of this check will be used to preserve our republican
form of govt. as outlined in the US Constitution, personal signature required
...now that's what they gave when they wrote a check for taxes...like
Our sales tax, they didn't believe in that either...
...now that's what they believed in gold or silver...44/40
...44/46...no sir, I never had any run in with them at all...
...45/08...they couldn't do it all that's right. I know what's you're
talking about there...like I said he started out, he had several memebers
to start out with but they'd gradulally fall out...there's a few of em,
right along with him right up to the last and they disbanded and that was
...but I do know that they had badges...the ones that belonged to the
posse ...I'd heard of one or two that pulled them and showed it trying to
bluff somebody...but that's about the extent of it...45/43...
...45/50...no sir, it didn't bother me, if they had em they kept em
in their wallets...
...46/06...no, Miss Kahl was a real nice lady. She never got out of
line ever. I just thought she was real nice....like I said, the boys heard
different things on them, but they kinda believed like their daddy did.
Well, he taught it to em and that was it...I think, I don't remember even
what both of their names was...one of the girls married a local boy here...
...47/10...yes, sir, I'd have say that, I sure would, he didn't cause
us any trouble down here at all...
...47/30...not too much, they thought he might come in here, might have
a friend or two. He might have, but I don't know of it...
...not really like I said, they called several years ago when it all
happened, I thought it was all over...
with interviews of...
Joan Kahl
Yorie Kahl
Lynn Crooks
Toots Mathis
Dennis Fisher
John Noah
Irv Nodland
Bill Kennelly
Prof. Ed Gran
Jack McLamb
Delores Everts
Scarlet Skiftu
Herman Widicker
August Pankow
Victor Seil
Marlys Klimek
Ron Perleberg
Len Martin
Brad Kapp
Robert Holiday
Tom Lee
Ed Fitzpatrick
Gene Nail
Buford Terrell
Marlene Gaysek
Bob Ralston
Darrel Graf
Steve Schnabel
Jack Swan
Loreen Dyck
Mark Stagg
Sheriff Ray Weatherby
Jack Miller
Tracy Adams
Allison Hoffman
Jeffrey F. Jackson
production design
Jim Haddon
Peter Lloyd
film editing
Tracy Adams
Martyn Hone
Jeffrey F. Jackson
original music by
Tracy Adams
sound department
Tracy Adams
Jeffrey F. Jackson
Rex Reddick
produced by
Jeffrey F. Jackson
Angela Kaye
writing by
Jeffrey F. Jackson
directed by
Jeffrey F. Jackson
A timeline of the life of Gordon Kahl, from early childhood interests, to his marriage to Joan Kahl, his decorated military experience, his outspoken tax protest, the Medina shootout, and his unusual death in Arkansas in 1983.
VARIETY /   Indie documaker Jeffrey F. Jackson sticks it to the IRS and the Feds in "Death & Taxes," a hard-hitting reinvestigation of the 1983 Gordon Kahl case, about which questions still linger. Jackson's unfazed, investigative reporting-style approach and inventive handling of familiar material make this a controversial item for fests and progressive webs. Non-U.S. viewers will also get a charge out of its conspiracy theme. read more
CHRONICLES MAGAZINE /   Gordon Kahl was a simple farmer who became famous for not filing income tax returns. Imprisoned and hounded by IRS agents who never did prove he owed any amount of money, Kahl and his son were involved in a shootout with police. The son is still serving a prison sentence, but the father was surrounded and shot in Arkansas by police officers who mutilated and burned his body. read more
GUNS & AMMO /   A new video documentary, Death & Taxes, details a case of government murderously out of control that was briefly mentioned in the October 1994 Guns & Ammo article "The Ugly Truth About Gun Control." Death & Taxes is the story of Gordon Kahl, a North Dakota farmer and decorated World War II veteran, and his apparent death at the hands of federal agents. read more
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Death & Taxes (DVD)
First time on DVD (113 min)
Death & Taxes (VHS)
This is a limited edition collector's VHS in the original unbroken packaging. (113 min)
Death & Taxes Miniseries (DVD)
Set of 6 DVD's comprising the complete uncut footage from the documentary film project. (783 min)
Gordon Kahl: Godfather of the militia movement
Now Available!
This set of 6 DVD's comprises over 13 hours of uncut footage, including a 2+ hour prison interview with Yorie Kahl, and candid interviews with wife Joan Kahl. In this rich stockpile of research, you'll find many more threads than could reasonably be pursued in the final feature.
The Death & Taxes Miniseries DVD Set Includes...
01: Gordon Kahl Meets With Head North Dakota U.S. Marshal Bud Warren (60 min)
02: The Beginning: Gordon Kahl's military experience and views on a variety of subjects (93 min)
03: Gordon's Texas Tax Trial (90 min)
04: Medina Shootout (60 min)
05: Gordon Kahl Was...: A montage of over 25 people describing who Gordon Kahl was in their eyes. (50 min)
06: Mysterious Death In Arkansas (90 min)
07: Media Circus: Chronological portrayal of Gordon Kahl in the media (70 min)
08: Yorie Kahl Prison Interview (150 min)
09: Joan Kahl Uncut Interviews (120 min)
The connection between Gordon Kahl, Timothy McVeigh, and the Oklahoma City Bombing
A little-known fact regarding Death & Taxes is the surprising connection to Timothy McVeigh and the ATF / Oklahoma City Bombing. Here's a clip of Jackson sharing the story during a director's commentary on his film Postal Worker.
Manhunt in the Dakotas
The story of Gordon Kahl so captured the attention of mainstream America that it was turned into a highly-rated made-for-television movie titled In The Line of Duty - Manhunt In The Dakotas.

DEATH & TAXES is the story of Gordon Kahl, a North Dakota farmer who became America's "most-wanted" fugitive. How had a WWII war hero become the target of one of the largest manhunts in FBI history? Gordon Kahl U.S. Marshalls Most Wanted Fugitive
Gordon Kahl's charred and burned remains were reexamined after his exhumation. The island of unburned skin shows that Kahl's body was likely positioned against the floor at the time he was set on fire.
The badly burned remains of Gordon Kahl, with an island of skin that shows he was in a prone position at the time of the fire.
Was Kahl a racist, gun-toting fanatic? Or a victim of an IRS policy of harassing vocal tax protestors into silence to keep the rest of us intimidated? Did Bill Clinton conspire to cover-up the torture and execution of Gordon Kahl in Arkansas? Did federal agents mutilate and burn the body to cover-up the murder of the wrong man?
DEATH & TAXES follows the trail of Gordon Kahl as his body is exhumed for a new autopsy. Building on newsreel clips covering two fiery shootouts and hundreds of interviews -- with IRS agents and federal prosecutors as well as Kahl's family and supporters -- D&T explores the myths and controversies surrounding a man who dared to challenge the federal income tax system. Some revile Kahl as a cop killer. Others revere him as an American patriot. Which was he?