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Ed Fitzpatrick

ED FITZPATRICK was one of three men that entered Leonard Ginter's farmhouse
in Arkansas and possibly witnessed Gordon Kahl's death.
START @ 06:14:40
Ed Fitzpatrick , majored in law enforcement at Memphis St. University,
and now a member of Ark. State police.
I started taking some law enforcement at Memphis St. and changed my
major...one year with Shelby county sheriff's office. ...
16/24 ...well I supposed this one... the most noterity anyhow...
17/13 ... June of 1983, I think the day before we actually went out to
Smithville, the info was developed by the FBI that Gordon Kahl was staying
out at Bill WAdes's property in the home of Leonard Ginter...we scheduled
a meeting for between the US Marshals, st. police, sheriff's dept., FBI
for the next afternoon, that'd be friday afternoon ...
18/24 ...June 3 is when we had the meeting at the Lwrence county courthouse...
18/42 ...as I recall there were about 30 people there, special agent
Jim Blassingame, put out all the information, they had aerial photos of
the Ginter residence, the ways in and out ... developed a plan that myself,
Sheriff Matthews , Special agents Jerry King and Jim Blasingame from the
FBI , and Jim Hall from the Marshals office would drive up and remove the
Ginters away from the residence if possible from there the house was supposed
to be surrounded by the FBI agents, the state police and the Marshals office
and at that time start negotiating with Hall, I mean with Gordon Kahl to
come out and surrender...
20/08 ... I think there was probably some extra marshals that came in
21/19 ...No, not very often, I actually thought at the time, the guy
was outnumbered 50 to 1 that he was going to surrender without any incident...
21/38 ...Well basically, I thought he was completely surrounded. if
he was in fact there, he couldn't, you know there was no way out, and the
only logical thing would have been to surrender...
22/07 ...Leonard Ginter was in a car attempting to leave the residence,
when he was stopped by Sp. agent Jerry King of the FBI and brought back
up to the front door ...I think that at the time he was stopped he had some
type of rifle in the car with him ...
22/57 ...No I believe we had to stop for Leonard and then drove down
the last fifty or sixty feet...at which time I think sp. agent King asked
him if Gordon Kahl was in there in the house and he said no, so then he
said, well call your wife out here , and he hollered,...23/19... "Norma
come on out here, the FBI wants to talk to you" the inflection on FBI.
...well then I thought he was in there. ...
23/52 ...no, cause actually things from that point on happended so fast
you didn't really think about anything, this whole episode from that point
on took about six to ten seconds, and then it was really all over...
24/30 ...getting out of the car, King and Jim Blasingame were talking
to Leonard Ginter, he called Norma outside ...she came outside and right
at that point is when Sheriff Matthews entered the house...as soon as Mrs.
Ginter came out Sheriff Matthews entered the residence from the front door
and from this point he motioned to myself and deputy marshal Jim Hall and
at that point we entered the residence behind him...
26/18 ...well, there was this narrow hallway and you took a left into
the kitchen and right there was the icebox...and I saw Sheriff Matthews
enter the room about fifteen feet ahead of me , turn around and fire a shot
from a 41 magnum pistol...and evidently a shot came from somewhere over
here and Sheriff Matthews fell to the ground. ...I was stopped right at
the icebox, I couldn't see over here because of the icebox and at this point
after Sheriff Matthews fell I ran outside and got right about here where
there are windows all along here , at this point I fired five shots from
a 12 gauge shotgun in the general vacinity of where I believed the gunfire
came from...
27/45 ...after this point then uh, there was a woodpile over here. and
I turned over behind this woodpile was special agent handley, I believe
Dee Downing and Robert Spear. Trooper Spear. And at this point Jim Handley
was the Swat team leader at this point and he took charge of the operation...
28/18 ...I fired the shots from outside in and then I went behind this
woodpile for cover...
...at that point I didn't know...(where Hall was) ...he was behind me
, see this was a hallwayand he was behind me in the hallway and his view
was completely obstructed.
29/09 ..I would have been the only one who could have possibly seen anything...
29/29 ...I really don't recall... I went around and came outside and
fired those shots and came back here ...and I just assumed that he exited
the premises behind me and went to some location out in here.
END TAPE @ #06:29:44
00/45 the office partner makes some statement I can't hear clearly...
Fitz. smiles & says...
I didn't have the heart to tell him where he really went...I'll betcha
Huddleston or some of them tell him. (where did he go?) ...1/20...He went
outside behind the tree and started throwing up and then he's just laying
on the ground shaking. And you know he got the National Heroe Award from
the US Marshal's Service and a $1,000 bonus check.
02/53 Up till now, twice in 16 years. ...
03/50 ...apx 4 minutes after the initial gunfire, Sheriff Matthews walked
out of the residence under his own power, and fell apx. 15 feet from the
side of the residence...
04/22 ...called for an ambulance and the ambulance transported him to
the ELR of the Lawrence County hospital...
04/41 ...Yeah, seems as though I do remember that...Hall was over by
the side of that garage by the side of the residence and that's where apx.
where Sheriff Matthews collapses, where adj. to himself and I believe there
were some other FBI agents on that side of the garage...
05/09 ...no one knew ...(the situation on GK)
05/25 ...at this point spc. agent Handley directed one of our sharpshooters
and memebers of the FBI SWAT team to open fire on the residence while they
attempted to shoot teargas into the residence...this went on for probablly
15 or 20 minutes...
06/22 ...well usually you're not scared at the time...but, later that
night you get real scared. ...
08/22 ...I would say not, cause you're so conditioned in police work
, trained that firearms are a last resort ...I think you absorb just so
much of that that I don't think any of that can change. ...I feel like we
fired soon enough on this incidence...
08/51 ...Yes, it did,... like I said before, this whole thing took about
four seconds from the time that he entered the residence., at that point
you don't really think about anything...
09/19 (did you know Gene Matthews?) Yes,...(tell me what kind of a Sheriff
was he?) Why don't you cut this for a minute...(LAUGHS)
10/11 ...Well, I guess ideally, he would have come out and surrendered...
10/47 (Why didn't they use the bullhorn?) ...I think that things just
progressed so quickly that uh, that was the original plan and things just
didn't work out like that...
12/01 ...at the time, we'd recieved some information that there might
be tunnels under the house as an escape route..it was jointly decided that
we would pour some diesel fuel down these exhaust vents and ignite it with
CS teargas as a heat source and that way if anybody was in there at that
point they would come out and surrender. ...
13/36 (Somebody went in and cut off the hands and feet) ...I've read
something about that yeah...well, I don't know, the wilder the story you
can come up with and somebody will print it and keeps them in the news.
14/55 ...well they were basically tax protestors and they didn't believe
in paying income tax and they didn't recognize the fed govt. or the state
govt. as having any authority over them, the only people had any powere
was the county sheriff.
15/47 ...kind of an ambivalent, most of the time you just thought they
were fruitcakes,,, then we started getting reports of these people storing
massive amount of firearms and ammunition ...and you read about these people
in other parts of the country who were extrememly violent. ...
16/30 ...like I said, on the way out there I didn't expect any resistance
from Leonard and Norma Ginter at all, in fact there was none... on the way
out there I felt that with some negotiation, if Kahl was there he would
17/34 ...I knew Bill WAde was not there at the time...that the first
that I've ever heard that story...
18/47 ...I wouldn't even attempt to psychoanalyssis these people...I
heard that and it's just rediculous.
20/11 Yea, I did hear about it and I never did find out whether it
was accurate or not...I believe Prosecutor James Stalcup of Walnut Ridge
has copies of the autopsy report.
21/00 ...nothing really changed, except the state poolice stepped their
investigations on the possee comitatus and the CRA who had an armed camp
in the mountains. ...
21/34 ...just a lot of aggravation...
22/26 ...well when you first called me up...this last lawsuit hadn't
been settled and my thought was, no comment until that last litigation had
been dismissed...
25/00 ...I didn't know,,, there was just no way of knowing cause you
had no vision at all...I just fired thru the window where I thought he'd
be ...thru and kinda of down, because at that point I thought he'd be kinda
close to the ground.
25/36 (so you saw Gene Matthews fire at GK?) ...yes...
26/28 ...well, you know I've thought about it, expesially since there's
so much interest in it seven years later. ...no I never heard of the book
until you mentioned it today...
27/00 ...Eddie Murphy...
28/30 most of the us marshals live in little rock... we seldom see these
federal people unless it's this special deal...
28/55 ...yes, I think that's quite possible...they believe there was
probably one or two pellets from the #4 which I had...those were just lodged
in the vest...didn't even penetrate the vest...
29/52 ...yeah, I would do exactly the same thing...
30/14 ...from where we are now, I very seldom here anything about em
anymore...I'm sure things are still going on up there...I've heard about
em before and for a couple of years afterward in the papers, but since then
I think they've faded out. ...
31/00 ...Heh, I really like eddie murphy...fuck the bitch...
END TAPE #07:32
REVIEWS THE release form with his lawyer over the phone...
34;33 now what he said...everything I said about Matthews ain't on this
tape. ...his thing was, I might have said something that might have made
somebody else mad and they can turn around and sue me now. ...and you can
hold up this slip of paper and said we' didn't do it. ...
(everybody's afraid of being sued.)
35/40 ...well I've got good reason to be! (laughs) ... his family still
lives up there and I'm still good friends with them and I don't want to
say anything that's going to do them any harm...

with interviews of...
Joan Kahl
Yorie Kahl
Lynn Crooks
Toots Mathis
Dennis Fisher
John Noah
Irv Nodland
Bill Kennelly
Prof. Ed Gran
Jack McLamb
Delores Everts
Scarlet Skiftu
Herman Widicker
August Pankow
Victor Seil
Marlys Klimek
Ron Perleberg
Len Martin
Brad Kapp
Robert Holiday
Tom Lee
Ed Fitzpatrick
Gene Nail
Buford Terrell
Marlene Gaysek
Bob Ralston
Darrel Graf
Steve Schnabel
Jack Swan
Loreen Dyck
Mark Stagg
Sheriff Ray Weatherby
Jack Miller
Tracy Adams
Allison Hoffman
Jeffrey F. Jackson
production design
Jim Haddon
Peter Lloyd
film editing
Tracy Adams
Martyn Hone
Jeffrey F. Jackson
original music by
Tracy Adams
sound department
Tracy Adams
Jeffrey F. Jackson
Rex Reddick
produced by
Jeffrey F. Jackson
Angela Kaye
writing by
Jeffrey F. Jackson
directed by
Jeffrey F. Jackson
A timeline of the life of Gordon Kahl, from early childhood interests, to his marriage to Joan Kahl, his decorated military experience, his outspoken tax protest, the Medina shootout, and his unusual death in Arkansas in 1983.
VARIETY /   Indie documaker Jeffrey F. Jackson sticks it to the IRS and the Feds in "Death & Taxes," a hard-hitting reinvestigation of the 1983 Gordon Kahl case, about which questions still linger. Jackson's unfazed, investigative reporting-style approach and inventive handling of familiar material make this a controversial item for fests and progressive webs. Non-U.S. viewers will also get a charge out of its conspiracy theme. read more
CHRONICLES MAGAZINE /   Gordon Kahl was a simple farmer who became famous for not filing income tax returns. Imprisoned and hounded by IRS agents who never did prove he owed any amount of money, Kahl and his son were involved in a shootout with police. The son is still serving a prison sentence, but the father was surrounded and shot in Arkansas by police officers who mutilated and burned his body. read more
GUNS & AMMO /   A new video documentary, Death & Taxes, details a case of government murderously out of control that was briefly mentioned in the October 1994 Guns & Ammo article "The Ugly Truth About Gun Control." Death & Taxes is the story of Gordon Kahl, a North Dakota farmer and decorated World War II veteran, and his apparent death at the hands of federal agents. read more
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Death & Taxes (DVD)
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Death & Taxes (VHS)
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Death & Taxes Miniseries (DVD)
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Gordon Kahl: Godfather of the militia movement
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This set of 6 DVD's comprises over 13 hours of uncut footage, including a 2+ hour prison interview with Yorie Kahl, and candid interviews with wife Joan Kahl. In this rich stockpile of research, you'll find many more threads than could reasonably be pursued in the final feature.
The Death & Taxes Miniseries DVD Set Includes...
01: Gordon Kahl Meets With Head North Dakota U.S. Marshal Bud Warren (60 min)
02: The Beginning: Gordon Kahl's military experience and views on a variety of subjects (93 min)
03: Gordon's Texas Tax Trial (90 min)
04: Medina Shootout (60 min)
05: Gordon Kahl Was...: A montage of over 25 people describing who Gordon Kahl was in their eyes. (50 min)
06: Mysterious Death In Arkansas (90 min)
07: Media Circus: Chronological portrayal of Gordon Kahl in the media (70 min)
08: Yorie Kahl Prison Interview (150 min)
09: Joan Kahl Uncut Interviews (120 min)
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A little-known fact regarding Death & Taxes is the surprising connection to Timothy McVeigh and the ATF / Oklahoma City Bombing. Here's a clip of Jackson sharing the story during a director's commentary on his film Postal Worker.
Manhunt in the Dakotas
The story of Gordon Kahl so captured the attention of mainstream America that it was turned into a highly-rated made-for-television movie titled In The Line of Duty - Manhunt In The Dakotas.

DEATH & TAXES is the story of Gordon Kahl, a North Dakota farmer who became America's "most-wanted" fugitive. How had a WWII war hero become the target of one of the largest manhunts in FBI history? Gordon Kahl U.S. Marshalls Most Wanted Fugitive
Gordon Kahl's charred and burned remains were reexamined after his exhumation. The island of unburned skin shows that Kahl's body was likely positioned against the floor at the time he was set on fire.
The badly burned remains of Gordon Kahl, with an island of skin that shows he was in a prone position at the time of the fire.
Was Kahl a racist, gun-toting fanatic? Or a victim of an IRS policy of harassing vocal tax protestors into silence to keep the rest of us intimidated? Did Bill Clinton conspire to cover-up the torture and execution of Gordon Kahl in Arkansas? Did federal agents mutilate and burn the body to cover-up the murder of the wrong man?
DEATH & TAXES follows the trail of Gordon Kahl as his body is exhumed for a new autopsy. Building on newsreel clips covering two fiery shootouts and hundreds of interviews -- with IRS agents and federal prosecutors as well as Kahl's family and supporters -- D&T explores the myths and controversies surrounding a man who dared to challenge the federal income tax system. Some revile Kahl as a cop killer. Others revere him as an American patriot. Which was he?