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Scarlet Skiftu

GORDON'S GRANDDAUGHTER
...7/00...Scarlet Skiftun, been married five years this month...
...my name is the first chapter, but the name is Christina my sister...Bruce
Boals met us and decided to tell it thru us...no, she was fourteen or fifteen,
he used her perspective...she was fourteen or fifteen...8/30...
 
..I read most of the book I have not read the whole thing...
I thought it was a very good documentary, I enjoyed it, it uplifted
the family...
 
...9/11...eighteen...I was in Odessa, tx,...I was a senior in highschool,
I lived with my mother and sister...
 
...yeah, I know ...9/42...the shootout happened on a sunday evening...I
got up the next morning and my mother and stepdad said this happened and
we're going to ND...I was in shock. I loved him very much...it was a tragedy,
I was hurt by it...
 
...10/34...must have been when I was about six or seven,...my sister
and mother and my natural dad...my sister and I were jumping on the bed...her
earlobe was ripped off...she took me to my grandparents, he was a lot of
fun...he was real concerned about Christina...nothing was ever any different...he
was a really loving grandfather...that's my first recollection of him...
11/50...I grew up in Odessa, TX...
 
...12/16...okay, grandpa gordon, my mother was the oldest daughter linda...Christina
is four years ytounger, she's 22...
 
...13/03...my mother and my natural father divorced when I was five
years old and there was another man in my mothers live at that time and
I guess you would call him my stepdad...
 
...13/35...well, we were at bud and Alta Brakels home. That's where
my Aunt Loreen and her fiance were. and Janice and the two kids, the little
boy had not arrived yet...the first person I saw was my aunt loreen and
there were a lot of tears...
 
...14/40...yea, for many years they were there year around,...we looked
forward to be there for two weeks, we spent the summer there, ...it was
always such a big thrill...I guess we had that one on one...whereas with
your own parents...
 
...16/05...that's the same time he was sent to leavenworth, I was a
bout ten or eleven...
 
...16/27...I remember just before he was sent to springfield...grandpa
and grandma have a birthday right together...Loreen and I got a dolly madison
cake and put it in a pan...it was the day before grandpa was to be sent
away and I remember that's one incident I remember. He come in and we had
a birthday party...I don't remember him letting us see any sadness.
 
...17/13...oh yeah, I remmeber his music...it was wonderful, you could
sit and listen to him all day...it would be like he was reading it off the
ceiling...I really enjoyed it...
 
17/52...Grandpa had a wonderful sense of humor...very easy going, he
laughed a lot...
 
...18/21...I was in odessa, that was in May of 83...
 
...no, I didn't forget about it, my mother was gone for several weeks,
it was a worry...18/53...just a constant worry as to what was going to happen
to grandma and Yori's future...
 
19/38...oh I was bvery sad. Yori and I were very close. He waslike the
big brother I never had...(choked up) it was really hard...
...
...(Yori)...19/57...very protective, very fine, YOri stayed with us
several diffent times...I guess he was better than a big brother, cause
I didn't get picked on...I'm six years younger than Yori, he was very caring,
very warm...very protective...
...I've not met anybody that is quite like Yori...
 
...20/47...oh I see several I guess, they're both very strong willed,
very strong minded. They're both the kind of individuals who are so caring
that they'll give you the shirt off their back and whenever it comes to
children or somebody in need or hurt, Yori and Grandpa have the same compassion.
and the genlte spirit, just a gentleness about them...now being incarcerated
I'm sure has hardened that a bit...there's just a gentleness about them
that you don't find with many men...21/25...
 
...22/01...well, theree were a lot, course I wsn't around when grandpa
was fighting this...he didn't share this with his granddaughter...so there
was a lot of things that I was in question about, there were a lot of things
I was in doubt about, cause I just could'nt believe that all those things
being said could be true...
(CUT W/CORCORAN)
...
...I was in Odessa, ...on the news, my mther and stepfather, ...
 
...23/45...it was extrememly hard on her (Linda), I don't feel that
she ever accepted that this could happen to her dad...mom and I never really
discussed how she felt , other then what was obvious, the tears, the depression,
the anger...24/13...
(LINDA'S SUICIDE)
...24/23...well, that's what's been said...I feel she did, there are
those that have different ideas. I feel she did, becuase from the time that
happened till the time that she was gone, there was a halo of depression
and it just got worse and worse...24/45...
 
...June of '83 to March of '84...eight months from the death of grandpa...
 
...25/24...no,...there were many other factors in my mother's life at
that time....I don't think that was the cause, I don't think that alone
caused the suicide...25/40...
...
...25/49...well, I, this fellow that I called my stepfather, there are
those that think he is capable of murder, he and my mother were in the midst
of a divorce at that time...and uh, there was friends that we had had, there
was one in particular, that his body was found about a year prior to then,
and he been in his younger days been heavily involved with drugs and there
was a murder, that was murder,...and mom claimed that she knew who committed
this murder. Well, when you link that, there can be the possibilibty in
somebodies eyes that whoever committed that murder would also be capable
of this...I don't know ,,,there was much unhappiness in my mother's life
at that time...I guess that I feel that she did committ suicide...26/52...
(CUT W/JOAN'S COMMENTS ON SUICIDE)
 
27/12...I would say Loreen, ...we're one year apart and we're extremely
close...
 
...27/44...well, I guess I'd have to say Mom, considering the fact that
the suicide did happen following this...However Lonnie who has had complications
dealing with several things in years...I guess obviously, other than Yori,
I'd say mom. Lorna seems to be doing okay. Loreen seems to be fine. and
freddie is distant, he's chose to be distant. He's chose to be distant.
I don't know if that's a sign...I don't know how to answer that , except
for the fact that mom's gone...
...process of elimination you see, he's chose to be distant...maybe
this is his way with dealing.
 
...29/35...um, until I moved up here and if you know anything about
rural communites you walk into a place everytone says I'm so and so, who
are you. and the next question is where are you from? how do you link up?
then it comes into play, I'm Gordon Kahl's granddaughter...29/50...
 
...30/43...You know, ultimately it is my heritage. and I'm not the least
bit ashamed of what happened. I'm saddened that it had to happen. Cause
we lost a very wonderful person...30/55...
...31/32...I think he was very courageious. I think he was very wise...umm,
there are a lot things that I'm uncertain about yet, to find out what's
really what he says. I tend to trust and belive him because of the love
that I have for him...31/55...
...32/41...PHOTO OF SCARLET AND FAMILY)
PHOTO OF JOAN ALONE ON MANTEL.
END SCARLET'S INTERVIEW
END TAPE @ 12:33:06

CREDITS
with interviews of...
Joan Kahl
Yorie Kahl
Lynn Crooks
Toots Mathis
Dennis Fisher
John Noah
Irv Nodland
Bill Kennelly
Prof. Ed Gran
Jack McLamb
Delores Everts
Scarlet Skiftu
Herman Widicker
August Pankow
Victor Seil
Marlys Klimek
Ron Perleberg
Len Martin
Brad Kapp
Robert Holiday
Tom Lee
Ed Fitzpatrick
Gene Nail
Buford Terrell
Marlene Gaysek
Bob Ralston
Darrel Graf
Steve Schnabel
Jack Swan
Loreen Dyck
Lorna/Loreen
Mark Stagg
Sheriff Ray Weatherby
Jack Miller
cinematography
Tracy Adams
Allison Hoffman
Jeffrey F. Jackson
production design
Jim Haddon
Peter Lloyd
film editing
Tracy Adams
Martyn Hone
Jeffrey F. Jackson
original music by
Tracy Adams
sound department
Tracy Adams
Jeffrey F. Jackson
stunts
Rex Reddick
produced by
Jeffrey F. Jackson
Angela Kaye
writing by
Jeffrey F. Jackson
directed by
Jeffrey F. Jackson
CHRONOLOGY
A timeline of the life of Gordon Kahl, from early childhood interests, to his marriage to Joan Kahl, his decorated military experience, his outspoken tax protest, the Medina shootout, and his unusual death in Arkansas in 1983.
REVIEWS
VARIETY /   Indie documaker Jeffrey F. Jackson sticks it to the IRS and the Feds in "Death & Taxes," a hard-hitting reinvestigation of the 1983 Gordon Kahl case, about which questions still linger. Jackson's unfazed, investigative reporting-style approach and inventive handling of familiar material make this a controversial item for fests and progressive webs. Non-U.S. viewers will also get a charge out of its conspiracy theme. read more
CHRONICLES MAGAZINE /   Gordon Kahl was a simple farmer who became famous for not filing income tax returns. Imprisoned and hounded by IRS agents who never did prove he owed any amount of money, Kahl and his son were involved in a shootout with police. The son is still serving a prison sentence, but the father was surrounded and shot in Arkansas by police officers who mutilated and burned his body. read more
GUNS & AMMO /   A new video documentary, Death & Taxes, details a case of government murderously out of control that was briefly mentioned in the October 1994 Guns & Ammo article "The Ugly Truth About Gun Control." Death & Taxes is the story of Gordon Kahl, a North Dakota farmer and decorated World War II veteran, and his apparent death at the hands of federal agents. read more
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Death & Taxes Miniseries (DVD)
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D&T MINISERIES
Gordon Kahl: Godfather of the militia movement
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This set of 6 DVD's comprises over 13 hours of uncut footage, including a 2+ hour prison interview with Yorie Kahl, and candid interviews with wife Joan Kahl. In this rich stockpile of research, you'll find many more threads than could reasonably be pursued in the final feature.
The Death & Taxes Miniseries DVD Set Includes...
01: Gordon Kahl Meets With Head North Dakota U.S. Marshal Bud Warren (60 min)
02: The Beginning: Gordon Kahl's military experience and views on a variety of subjects (93 min)
03: Gordon's Texas Tax Trial (90 min)
04: Medina Shootout (60 min)
05: Gordon Kahl Was...: A montage of over 25 people describing who Gordon Kahl was in their eyes. (50 min)
06: Mysterious Death In Arkansas (90 min)
07: Media Circus: Chronological portrayal of Gordon Kahl in the media (70 min)
08: Yorie Kahl Prison Interview (150 min)
09: Joan Kahl Uncut Interviews (120 min)
OKLAHOMA CITY
The connection between Gordon Kahl, Timothy McVeigh, and the Oklahoma City Bombing
A little-known fact regarding Death & Taxes is the surprising connection to Timothy McVeigh and the ATF / Oklahoma City Bombing. Here's a clip of Jackson sharing the story during a director's commentary on his film Postal Worker.
MADE FOR TV
Manhunt in the Dakotas
The story of Gordon Kahl so captured the attention of mainstream America that it was turned into a highly-rated made-for-television movie titled In The Line of Duty - Manhunt In The Dakotas.

SYNOPSIS
DEATH & TAXES is the story of Gordon Kahl, a North Dakota farmer who became America's "most-wanted" fugitive. How had a WWII war hero become the target of one of the largest manhunts in FBI history? Gordon Kahl U.S. Marshalls Most Wanted Fugitive
Gordon Kahl's charred and burned remains were reexamined after his exhumation. The island of unburned skin shows that Kahl's body was likely positioned against the floor at the time he was set on fire.
The badly burned remains of Gordon Kahl, with an island of skin that shows he was in a prone position at the time of the fire.
Was Kahl a racist, gun-toting fanatic? Or a victim of an IRS policy of harassing vocal tax protestors into silence to keep the rest of us intimidated? Did Bill Clinton conspire to cover-up the torture and execution of Gordon Kahl in Arkansas? Did federal agents mutilate and burn the body to cover-up the murder of the wrong man?
DEATH & TAXES follows the trail of Gordon Kahl as his body is exhumed for a new autopsy. Building on newsreel clips covering two fiery shootouts and hundreds of interviews -- with IRS agents and federal prosecutors as well as Kahl's family and supporters -- D&T explores the myths and controversies surrounding a man who dared to challenge the federal income tax system. Some revile Kahl as a cop killer. Others revere him as an American patriot. Which was he?
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