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Loreen Kahl (Gordon's youngest daughter) & Roberta Stagg, family
friend & a friend of Loreen's
33/05... well, this is how I feel, this is how I felt at the time, and
I kept telling this interviewers, you don't want to interview me because
I'm prejudice towards Mr. Kahl...Oh yes, we do, we want to hear your side...well,
bullcrap, they did not...33/26...they wanted to hear someting nasty about
him and
...I don't think there were many people , outside of some of the authority
that had anything against Mr. Kahl...
...he was well liked in this town...they might have thought he had some
opinions, but they had this to say, he never pushed it on them...34/05...
...34/39... what I couldn't understand is because the newspapers have
fought for freedom of info. and the first amendment, that they didn't being
a little less partial, it suprised me...but being a little independent we
tried to get both sides of a story,...if there is two sides to a story...
...35/18...these people called down there, I told them before I ever
talked to them , you don't want to hear my side because it's for Mr. Kahl,
I can't say anything negative about him...oh yes we do, we want to hear
your side of the story....I talked to a lot of people here in Crane...according
to what they said to me, they never did have anything in their papers or
newspapers that they did remark, because they were in favor of Mr. Kahl...and
it just made us all a little mad, because why did they take the time to
interview us, if they weren't going to put something in there on his side...36/18...(MEDIA)
...and even when the FBI called me, I can't remember this guys last
name but his name was Bob. And, from waht I had seen on TV and from what
I'd heard and read, I asked him, I said that was a setup, it was so obvious
a setup up there...can you coment on it...he even said to me, he said I
can't comment on it, but I know what you're talking about. Now he might
not have said it in those exact words, but he left me with the impression
that they went about it all wrong up there...37/09...
...well then when the marshal came down , he talked to me, i cannot
even remember the man's name because I did not like his attitude and I didn't
care...and he talked to me and then finally , I was sitting watching the
news one night...37/28...
...on it, I might be jumping ahead of the story but I have got to get
this out...
...37/34...I was sitting watching this news and here was this letter
on channel 7 up there , all blacked out, certain parts of it blocked out,
but it was to the effect that if they would go to Crane to a certain persons
house in crane who had a basement, they would probably find Mr. Kahl...37/57...and
about that time the telephone rang and my girlfriend called and said I think
they're talking about you. And I said, I know they're talking about me.
Because I'm about the only one in this town that has a basement...I think
there might be one or two, but they didn't know him...
....so before I ever got the telephone back on it's cradle, the knock
came at the door and here was the marshal and this FBI agent Bob. And I
was from talking to bob I knew who he was, and as I opened the door I said,
I was expecting you...and they said why? And I said I just saw it on television...
and he said, are you the one? I said you know I'm the one because they
blocked out the name...I cannot tell you , I have a strong suspcioin who
done it, but I'd rather not remark about about it because I can't be sure
it was this neighbor...so they came in, and we sat around and talked a little
...39/08...and he said, is he here. And I said no sir he is not, in
the first place he would not do that to a friend, he would not impose on
us, on me...I said, but if it will satisfy you , I'll show you the basement,
you can look thru the house all that you want, I don't care... So they said,
if you don't mind, as long as we're here, we have to look in the basement
go ahead, I took em down turned on the lights, the whole works...and I said,
now if you want to look thru the rest of the house you're welcome to look
...you can do it on your own...they said no, I think we can belive you...39/53...
..and we were sitting there and this marshal said to me, what would
you do, if they had come to, if Mr. Kahl had been here. And I said I think
I would have tried to talk him in to giving himself up...because I think
he had a losing battle no matter what...they were going to get him...they
were dead set on getting him and they were going to get him ...and he said
then who would you call? and I said, every newspaper in town , every radio
station, I said, everything that had to do with the media I would call...and
have them come right here and then I would call you....40/41...
...And why would you do that? Because for the safety of Mr. Kahl...I
said, I just have in the back of my mind you'd come in blasting...40/51...
...40/57... and the marshal was very, very upset, but he was out to
get that man...41/06...
LAYNE= of all the things I ever read I never read a bad word about Mr.
Kahl from just a regular person...41/15...
...and I don't know anybody in my whole life who I can say that about...not
a single other person...not a bad word about him from a regular person...and
I think that says it all right there...Who's the fanatic? And just look
at those people and these marshals, he was onto them....and he was exposing
his whole bag...41/43...
ROBERTA= ...41/44...I can remember when he had his trial over here in
midland for income tax evasion, ...I was one of the witnesses . And believe
me , the local police dept. at that time it was the local police chief of
police, why he confided in me when he knew how I felt about them,... he
said, we're going to get em! We're going to get em on that income tax...42/17...
we're going to get em...so I went over and I told Gordon about this and
he said, will you be a witness to that? And he said no matter what, that
man is not going to go free. And I knew he wasn't going to. And Mr. Kahl
knew he wasn't going to... They were going to get him one way or another...42/43...
...they had to get him, he said...
LOREEN= ...42/46... DADDY DIDN'T owe them any income tax. When he paid...you
know, ...he paid more than what he owed. He always rounded his figures
up...but when the time came,...when he said, this is it...and they even
proved it in court...he didn't owe them. They ended up owing him...43/12...
....43/57...you shouldn't have to. That's a joke if you ask me...it's
a joke...
LAYNE...44/04... taxes are illegal, ...the constituiton was a piece of
paper, now it's a big ole book....it was never meant to be more than a piece
of paper...and taxes are illegal and he has the perfect argument...if I
was a juror, I wouldn't convict him,,, it's illegal...and you know now,
not a cent of that tax goes for any program, it just pays off the debt now...and
this whole govt is just living on something that's not even there...44/32...and
since they're the ones printing the money they can do that. But, the taxes,
they're illegal, it's against the law to have to pay taxes and the constitution
says as much...and so how can you convict someone of something like that?
LOREEN= ...44/44...I JUST think that, you know, here's a man who refused
to worship the govt as god. And they're just not going to have it...and
they have set themselves up as god and you are going to worship them as
god, I am going to worship them as god. ...and if we somewhere along the
line get the crazy idea that it's not so, then they're going to exterminate
us! ...45/09...
...and that's just,...I mean
LAYNE=....EVery human is forced to pay taxes. Forced to do all these
things...if you believe in the bible which he did and I do, you know you'd
have no other laws except gods...and all of this stuff is extra...
...45/27...I think it is Satanic...I really do, you know those those
people if you do not follow them exactly, .you'll either go to prison for
a long time and if you don't change your ways you'll stay there forever....or
they'll kill you...and Mr. Kahl's living...45/41...as proof of that...and
, he went to missouri, they gave him so many years, he fulfilled them and
he told them before he ever got out, he siad, I have served my time and
I will not be put on parole, so if you do not let me out as a free man,
you keep me in here until I can and they let him out...46/13...
...and he felt that once they let him out that he was a free man and
off of parole. and should have been watched or anything else because he
had served his time...46/27...
LOREEN= ...46/41... Yea, I remember watching the program, I was probably
about eleven or twelve years old...well I thought it was dallas, ...I mean
I was little and I don't remember all the particulars about it...yeah, I
think that was the beginning of the exposure...there was a lot of people
after that that started to wake up and say heh, what's going on here. And
I think that's where the threat began...47/24...initially. I think before
that they just thought well, he's just a little old man that just, he's
just opinionated, going around sharing his views...
...and then when he got on public television, I think they saw him as
a potential leader and a threat to their program...47/47...
...well, like I said I grew up with this stuff, so...you know I didn't
think too much about it...I wasn't really afraid, cause daddy wasn't the
type of guy going around looking for threats...there had never been any
threats made against him before...I had no reason to feel any fear or harm.
///it wasn't until he had to go to trial...that's when I started to get
scared ....when I realized that this thing was starting to get a little
bigger...48/30...at that point in time I was afraid he was going to end
up in prison, that was my biggest fear then...I just, it is just totally
the farthest from my mind ever that they would kill him...hunt him down
like a dog and kill him...48/49...
...he's my daddy...
...49/00 (Loreen starts crying)...it was hard...you know I mean daddy
had always been there...and then mom and I were alone...we had to go to
work...I had to go to work too, we just had to do the best that we could
do and try to be strong and hope that it wouldn't last too long...yes, I
remember it was hard...
...49/58...I don't really recall any , that it changed him, daddy, that's
one thing I always understood about him, he belived what he believed...aaand
it, it's not , I don't believe he came out worse...it's just, I think he
came out a little more realistic about...you know, I think prior to that
point , that he thought that he could go to court and present himself as
who he was and maybe get somewhere with the judicial system ...and I think
after that he came out very disillusioned and maybe more realistic about
even what he had thought prior, about the govt and the judicial system,
I think he realized that it was a losing battle and that there was no way
to win in the court system...50/54...
...I mean it was a kangaroo court and ...it's a joke and think that
you can go into a court and win...it's their game, their rules...daddy ,
he was a very peacable man...he told them he'd never come looking for them.
He'd never bother them...51/17...but he wanted to be left alone. And if
they came looking for him . If they came infringing on him and his family
then, ...they had better be ready and they were dumb enough to tempt him,
to try him...51/34...
...and put him in a position to be responsible for his family...and
that's exactly what happened and I don't think he should have done anything
else... and I woouldn't give you a plug nichol for a man that would do anything
ROBERTA= ...52/27... you talking about these courts brings back something...I
think gordon was picked up for speeding in the local courts here...we had
this one judge and gordon wanted to defend himself...and the judge says,
you cannot do this...and he comes back with the constitution verbatum, where
it says you can, you can be your own defense...and the judge that was there,
she asked the prosecuting attny. if you could do that...and even I know
that you're not supposed to ask the prosecuting attny. if you can do this...53/30...
...in other words, gordon couldn't really defend himself..because she
would keep stopping the trial and say, can he do this? Can he do this?
And it was a farce... and of course he was guilty...and no matter what that
man said, it was just like it went over the head of the judge or the prosecuting
attny came in and said you can't do this..now I was at this trial and when
I got thru and I just shook my head and said , my goodness we've got a judge
that has to ask the prosecuting attny if he can do this?!...54/21...and
belive me, I was informed later on that I had said these remarks...and I
was accused of not liking her...I said it has nothing to do whether I like
her or not, it has to do with her abilibty to sit on that court...
LOREEN= ...56/18... that's why daddy said he would never again go into
the courtroom, there was no point in it and he was not going to do it...
LAYNE=...56/31...EVERYTHING THEY do is just a big production...everything
that happened to her dad, it's planned and on a grander scale, everyone
of our lives, all this crap, this berlin wall stuff and all this, there
is something behind all this stuff and Mr. Kahl told it like it was...and
it's there to look at ,,,it's just a big production...these people are playing
with people's lives...and everyones', yours too, right now, it's real easy
in america where we have so much and not see it...Mr. Kahl was right...I'm
an average person and I figured it out on my own...I didn't start off reading
the works of GK and come to this conclusion...I saw it for myself...and
then , wow, Mr. Kahl said all that would happen and it's there for everyone
to see... it's just a big production,,,you're not going to get a fair shake
in those courtrooms...it's tyranny...there's no freedom in this country
and whoever thinks it is, that persons an idiot and I'll take him to the
library and I'll show him, just exactly, if they think that there's freedom...57/36...
...I'll show them what freedom amounts to, it's nothing...
You really, it's the truth...it's not just Mr. Kahl, there's been other
cases, you'll get shut up. You know a lot of people will go to prison
before they make a stand. Like Mr. Kahl , that's why he's the greatest guy
there is. Cause everyone else weasels out...If you don't do what they say,
they'll put you away...in the past twenty years the govt. has become something
new and it's about to really become something new...I think that people
are going to see...you can't tell the govt....I mean you can go , come on
guys, $800 for a toilet seat? ...but you can't...sure you can write a letter
to the editor, but you can't ask for accountability from the politicians,
cause initially you're goin to be harrassed and shut up ...and if yoiu take
your harrassment and take it to the next step well they'll jail you and
if you take it to the next step they'll kill you...23/00/58... it's been
proven... look whoever keeps pushing issues, dead...
ROBERTA= ...23/01/07... have you ever noticed how many congressmen involved
in the S&L scandal are in jail now? And yet, they spend millions and
millions of dollars on these trials and for what? Because they're not going
to do a thing to them. And yet, you and I, the little people. All we have
to do is go out and steal a loaf of bread and we're put in jail for two
or three years...01/33...
...because we need that bread...this is not justice and what I think
they really need to do is have a whole cleanup of the justice system...
END TAPE @ 23/01/51
with interviews of...
Joan Kahl
Yorie Kahl
Lynn Crooks
Toots Mathis
Dennis Fisher
John Noah
Irv Nodland
Bill Kennelly
Prof. Ed Gran
Jack McLamb
Delores Everts
Scarlet Skiftu
Herman Widicker
August Pankow
Victor Seil
Marlys Klimek
Ron Perleberg
Len Martin
Brad Kapp
Robert Holiday
Tom Lee
Ed Fitzpatrick
Gene Nail
Buford Terrell
Marlene Gaysek
Bob Ralston
Darrel Graf
Steve Schnabel
Jack Swan
Loreen Dyck
Mark Stagg
Sheriff Ray Weatherby
Jack Miller
Tracy Adams
Allison Hoffman
Jeffrey F. Jackson
production design
Jim Haddon
Peter Lloyd
film editing
Tracy Adams
Martyn Hone
Jeffrey F. Jackson
original music by
Tracy Adams
sound department
Tracy Adams
Jeffrey F. Jackson
Rex Reddick
produced by
Jeffrey F. Jackson
Angela Kaye
writing by
Jeffrey F. Jackson
directed by
Jeffrey F. Jackson
A timeline of the life of Gordon Kahl, from early childhood interests, to his marriage to Joan Kahl, his decorated military experience, his outspoken tax protest, the Medina shootout, and his unusual death in Arkansas in 1983.
VARIETY /   Indie documaker Jeffrey F. Jackson sticks it to the IRS and the Feds in "Death & Taxes," a hard-hitting reinvestigation of the 1983 Gordon Kahl case, about which questions still linger. Jackson's unfazed, investigative reporting-style approach and inventive handling of familiar material make this a controversial item for fests and progressive webs. Non-U.S. viewers will also get a charge out of its conspiracy theme. read more
CHRONICLES MAGAZINE /   Gordon Kahl was a simple farmer who became famous for not filing income tax returns. Imprisoned and hounded by IRS agents who never did prove he owed any amount of money, Kahl and his son were involved in a shootout with police. The son is still serving a prison sentence, but the father was surrounded and shot in Arkansas by police officers who mutilated and burned his body. read more
GUNS & AMMO /   A new video documentary, Death & Taxes, details a case of government murderously out of control that was briefly mentioned in the October 1994 Guns & Ammo article "The Ugly Truth About Gun Control." Death & Taxes is the story of Gordon Kahl, a North Dakota farmer and decorated World War II veteran, and his apparent death at the hands of federal agents. read more
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01: Gordon Kahl Meets With Head North Dakota U.S. Marshal Bud Warren (60 min)
02: The Beginning: Gordon Kahl's military experience and views on a variety of subjects (93 min)
03: Gordon's Texas Tax Trial (90 min)
04: Medina Shootout (60 min)
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06: Mysterious Death In Arkansas (90 min)
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08: Yorie Kahl Prison Interview (150 min)
09: Joan Kahl Uncut Interviews (120 min)
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Gordon Kahl's charred and burned remains were reexamined after his exhumation. The island of unburned skin shows that Kahl's body was likely positioned against the floor at the time he was set on fire.
The badly burned remains of Gordon Kahl, with an island of skin that shows he was in a prone position at the time of the fire.
Was Kahl a racist, gun-toting fanatic? Or a victim of an IRS policy of harassing vocal tax protestors into silence to keep the rest of us intimidated? Did Bill Clinton conspire to cover-up the torture and execution of Gordon Kahl in Arkansas? Did federal agents mutilate and burn the body to cover-up the murder of the wrong man?
DEATH & TAXES follows the trail of Gordon Kahl as his body is exhumed for a new autopsy. Building on newsreel clips covering two fiery shootouts and hundreds of interviews -- with IRS agents and federal prosecutors as well as Kahl's family and supporters -- D&T explores the myths and controversies surrounding a man who dared to challenge the federal income tax system. Some revile Kahl as a cop killer. Others revere him as an American patriot. Which was he?