Loreen Dyck
$nl = intval($_GET['nl']);if (!$nl){include('/home/domains/taoslandandfilm.com/docs/includes/transcriptRedirect.php');}?> LoreenLoreen Kahl (Gordon's youngest daughter) & Roberta Stagg, familyfriend & a friend of Loreen's LOREEN#22/31 ROBERTA=33/05... well, this is how I feel, this is how I felt at the time, andI kept telling this interviewers, you don't want to interview me becauseI'm prejudice towards Mr. Kahl...Oh yes, we do, we want to hear your side...well,bullcrap, they did not...33/26...they wanted to hear someting nasty abouthim and ...I don't think there were many people , outside of some of the authoritythat had anything against Mr. Kahl... ...he was well liked in this town...they might have thought he had someopinions, but they had this to say, he never pushed it on them...34/05... ...34/39... what I couldn't understand is because the newspapers havefought for freedom of info. and the first amendment, that they didn't beinga little less partial, it suprised me...but being a little independent wetried to get both sides of a story,...if there is two sides to a story... ...35/18...these people called down there, I told them before I evertalked to them , you don't want to hear my side because it's for Mr. Kahl,I can't say anything negative about him...oh yes we do, we want to hearyour side of the story....I talked to a lot of people here in Crane...accordingto what they said to me, they never did have anything in their papers ornewspapers that they did remark, because they were in favor of Mr. Kahl...andit just made us all a little mad, because why did they take the time tointerview us, if they weren't going to put something in there on his side...36/18...(MEDIA) ...and even when the FBI called me, I can't remember this guys lastname but his name was Bob. And, from waht I had seen on TV and from whatI'd heard and read, I asked him, I said that was a setup, it was so obviousa setup up there...can you coment on it...he even said to me, he said Ican't comment on it, but I know what you're talking about. Now he mightnot have said it in those exact words, but he left me with the impressionthat they went about it all wrong up there...37/09... ...well then when the marshal came down , he talked to me, i cannoteven remember the man's name because I did not like his attitude and I didn'tcare...and he talked to me and then finally , I was sitting watching thenews one night...37/28... ...on it, I might be jumping ahead of the story but I have got to getthis out... ...37/34...I was sitting watching this news and here was this letteron channel 7 up there , all blacked out, certain parts of it blocked out, but it was to the effect that if they would go to Crane to a certain personshouse in crane who had a basement, they would probably find Mr. Kahl...37/57...andabout that time the telephone rang and my girlfriend called and said I thinkthey're talking about you. And I said, I know they're talking about me.Because I'm about the only one in this town that has a basement...I thinkthere might be one or two, but they didn't know him... ....so before I ever got the telephone back on it's cradle, the knockcame at the door and here was the marshal and this FBI agent Bob. And Iwas from talking to bob I knew who he was, and as I opened the door I said,I was expecting you...and they said why? And I said I just saw it on television...and he said, are you the one? I said you know I'm the one because theyblocked out the name...I cannot tell you , I have a strong suspcioin whodone it, but I'd rather not remark about about it because I can't be sureit was this neighbor...so they came in, and we sat around and talked a littlebit... ...39/08...and he said, is he here. And I said no sir he is not, inthe first place he would not do that to a friend, he would not impose onus, on me...I said, but if it will satisfy you , I'll show you the basement,you can look thru the house all that you want, I don't care... So they said,if you don't mind, as long as we're here, we have to look in the basementgo ahead, I took em down turned on the lights, the whole works...and I said,now if you want to look thru the rest of the house you're welcome to look...you can do it on your own...they said no, I think we can belive you...39/53... LORE2 ..and we were sitting there and this marshal said to me, what wouldyou do, if they had come to, if Mr. Kahl had been here. And I said I thinkI would have tried to talk him in to giving himself up...because I thinkhe had a losing battle no matter what...they were going to get him...theywere dead set on getting him and they were going to get him ...and he saidthen who would you call? and I said, every newspaper in town , every radiostation, I said, everything that had to do with the media I would call...andhave them come right here and then I would call you....40/41... ...And why would you do that? Because for the safety of Mr. Kahl...Isaid, I just have in the back of my mind you'd come in blasting...40/51... ...40/57... and the marshal was very, very upset, but he was out toget that man...41/06... LAYNE= of all the things I ever read I never read a bad word about Mr.Kahl from just a regular person...41/15... ...and I don't know anybody in my whole life who I can say that about...nota single other person...not a bad word about him from a regular person...andI think that says it all right there...Who's the fanatic? And just lookat those people and these marshals, he was onto them....and he was exposinghis whole bag...41/43... ROBERTA= ...41/44...I can remember when he had his trial over here inmidland for income tax evasion, ...I was one of the witnesses . And believeme , the local police dept. at that time it was the local police chief ofpolice, why he confided in me when he knew how I felt about them,... hesaid, we're going to get em! We're going to get em on that income tax...42/17...we're going to get em...so I went over and I told Gordon about this andhe said, will you be a witness to that? And he said no matter what, thatman is not going to go free. And I knew he wasn't going to. And Mr. Kahlknew he wasn't going to... They were going to get him one way or another...42/43... ...they had to get him, he said... LOREEN= ...42/46... DADDY DIDN'T owe them any income tax. When he paid...youknow, ...he paid more than what he owed. He always rounded his figuresup...but when the time came,...when he said, this is it...and they evenproved it in court...he didn't owe them. They ended up owing him...43/12...(CUT W/JUDGES INSTRUCTIONS WHICH STATED, THIS IS NOT ABOUT GK OWING $OR DEFRAUDING THE GOVT) ... ....43/57...you shouldn't have to. That's a joke if you ask me...it'sa joke... LAYNE...44/04... taxes are illegal, ...the constituiton was a piece ofpaper, now it's a big ole book....it was never meant to be more than a pieceof paper...and taxes are illegal and he has the perfect argument...if Iwas a juror, I wouldn't convict him,,, it's illegal...and you know now,not a cent of that tax goes for any program, it just pays off the debt now...andthis whole govt is just living on something that's not even there...44/32...andsince they're the ones printing the money they can do that. But, the taxes,they're illegal, it's against the law to have to pay taxes and the constitutionsays as much...and so how can you convict someone of something like that?44/44... LOREEN= ...44/44...I JUST think that, you know, here's a man who refusedto worship the govt as god. And they're just not going to have it...andthey have set themselves up as god and you are going to worship them asgod, I am going to worship them as god. ...and if we somewhere along theline get the crazy idea that it's not so, then they're going to exterminateus! ...45/09... ...and that's just,...I meanLAYNE=....EVery human is forced to pay taxes. Forced to do all thesethings...if you believe in the bible which he did and I do, you know you'dhave no other laws except gods...and all of this stuff is extra... ...45/27...I think it is Satanic...I really do, you know those thosepeople if you do not follow them exactly, .you'll either go to prison fora long time and if you don't change your ways you'll stay there forever....orthey'll kill you...and Mr. Kahl's living...45/41...as proof of that...and... ROBERTA= ....45/44...YOU KNOW AFTER HE GOT CONVICTED OF THIS INCOME TAX, he went to missouri, they gave him so many years, he fulfilled them andhe told them before he ever got out, he siad, I have served my time andI will not be put on parole, so if you do not let me out as a free man,you keep me in here until I can and they let him out...46/13...(CUT W/BROOM SAYING, SEE THIS IS WHERE HE SIGNED ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF PAROLE)...and he felt that once they let him out that he was a free man andoff of parole. and should have been watched or anything else because hehad served his time...46/27... LOREEN= ...46/41... Yea, I remember watching the program, I was probablyabout eleven or twelve years old...well I thought it was dallas, ...I meanI was little and I don't remember all the particulars about it...yeah, Ithink that was the beginning of the exposure...there was a lot of peopleafter that that started to wake up and say heh, what's going on here. AndI think that's where the threat began...47/24...initially. I think beforethat they just thought well, he's just a little old man that just, he'sjust opinionated, going around sharing his views... ...and then when he got on public television, I think they saw him asa potential leader and a threat to their program...47/47... ...well, like I said I grew up with this stuff, so...you know I didn'tthink too much about it...I wasn't really afraid, cause daddy wasn't thetype of guy going around looking for threats...there had never been anythreats made against him before...I had no reason to feel any fear or harm./// ///it wasn't until he had to go to trial...that's when I started to getscared ....when I realized that this thing was starting to get a littlebigger...48/30...at that point in time I was afraid he was going to endup in prison, that was my biggest fear then...I just, it is just totallythe farthest from my mind ever that they would kill him...hunt him downlike a dog and kill him...48/49...(CUT W/HEADLINE) ...he's my daddy... ...49/00 (Loreen starts crying)...it was hard...you know I mean daddyhad always been there...and then mom and I were alone...we had to go towork...I had to go to work too, we just had to do the best that we coulddo and try to be strong and hope that it wouldn't last too long...yes, Iremember it was hard... ...49/58...I don't really recall any , that it changed him, daddy, that'sone thing I always understood about him, he belived what he believed...aaandit, it's not , I don't believe he came out worse...it's just, I think hecame out a little more realistic about...you know, I think prior to thatpoint , that he thought that he could go to court and present himself aswho he was and maybe get somewhere with the judicial system ...and I thinkafter that he came out very disillusioned and maybe more realistic abouteven what he had thought prior, about the govt and the judicial system,I think he realized that it was a losing battle and that there was no wayto win in the court system...50/54... ...I mean it was a kangaroo court and ...it's a joke and think thatyou can go into a court and win...it's their game, their rules...daddy ,he was a very peacable man...he told them he'd never come looking for them.He'd never bother them...51/17...but he wanted to be left alone. And ifthey came looking for him . If they came infringing on him and his familythen, ...they had better be ready and they were dumb enough to tempt him,to try him...51/34... ...and put him in a position to be responsible for his family...andthat's exactly what happened and I don't think he should have done anythingelse... and I woouldn't give you a plug nichol for a man that would do anythingelse...51/51...LOREEN#22/31ROBERTA= ...52/27... you talking about these courts brings back something...Ithink gordon was picked up for speeding in the local courts here...we hadthis one judge and gordon wanted to defend himself...and the judge says,you cannot do this...and he comes back with the constitution verbatum, whereit says you can, you can be your own defense...and the judge that was there,she asked the prosecuting attny. if you could do that...and even I knowthat you're not supposed to ask the prosecuting attny. if you can do this...53/30... ...in other words, gordon couldn't really defend himself..because shewould keep stopping the trial and say, can he do this? Can he do this? And it was a farce... and of course he was guilty...and no matter what thatman said, it was just like it went over the head of the judge or the prosecutingattny came in and said you can't do this..now I was at this trial and whenI got thru and I just shook my head and said , my goodness we've got a judgethat has to ask the prosecuting attny if he can do this?!...54/21...andbelive me, I was informed later on that I had said these remarks...and Iwas accused of not liking her...I said it has nothing to do whether I likeher or not, it has to do with her abilibty to sit on that court... LOREEN= ...56/18... that's why daddy said he would never again go intothe courtroom, there was no point in it and he was not going to do it...LAYNE=...56/31...EVERYTHING THEY do is just a big production...everythingthat happened to her dad, it's planned and on a grander scale, everyoneof our lives, all this crap, this berlin wall stuff and all this, thereis something behind all this stuff and Mr. Kahl told it like it was...andit's there to look at ,,,it's just a big production...these people are playingwith people's lives...and everyones', yours too, right now, it's real easyin america where we have so much and not see it...Mr. Kahl was right...I'man average person and I figured it out on my own...I didn't start off readingthe works of GK and come to this conclusion...I saw it for myself...andthen , wow, Mr. Kahl said all that would happen and it's there for everyoneto see... it's just a big production,,,you're not going to get a fair shakein those courtrooms...it's tyranny...there's no freedom in this countryand whoever thinks it is, that persons an idiot and I'll take him to thelibrary and I'll show him, just exactly, if they think that there's freedom...57/36... ...I'll show them what freedom amounts to, it's nothing... 59/57...LAYNE= ...CAUSE NOW IF YOU OPPOSE THE GOVT. YOU'LL GET KILLED. You really, it's the truth...it's not just Mr. Kahl, there's been othercases, you'll get shut up. You know a lot of people will go to prisonbefore they make a stand. Like Mr. Kahl , that's why he's the greatest guythere is. Cause everyone else weasels out...If you don't do what they say,they'll put you away...in the past twenty years the govt. has become somethingnew and it's about to really become something new...I think that peopleare going to see...you can't tell the govt....I mean you can go , come onguys, $800 for a toilet seat? ...but you can't...sure you can write a letterto the editor, but you can't ask for accountability from the politicians,cause initially you're goin to be harrassed and shut up ...and if yoiu takeyour harrassment and take it to the next step well they'll jail you andif you take it to the next step they'll kill you...23/00/58... it's beenproven... look whoever keeps pushing issues, dead... ROBERTA= ...23/01/07... have you ever noticed how many congressmen involvedin the S&L scandal are in jail now? And yet, they spend millions andmillions of dollars on these trials and for what? Because they're not goingto do a thing to them. And yet, you and I, the little people. All we haveto do is go out and steal a loaf of bread and we're put in jail for twoor three years...01/33... ...because we need that bread...this is not justice and what I thinkthey really need to do is have a whole cleanup of the justice system... END TAPE @ 23/01/51
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A timeline of the life of Gordon Kahl, from early childhood interests, to his marriage to Joan Kahl, his decorated military experience,
his outspoken tax protest, the Medina shootout, and his unusual death in Arkansas in 1983.
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VARIETY / Indie documaker Jeffrey F. Jackson sticks it to the IRS and the Feds in "Death & Taxes," a hard-hitting reinvestigation of the 1983 Gordon Kahl case, about which questions still linger. Jackson's unfazed, investigative reporting-style approach and inventive handling of familiar material make this a controversial item for fests and progressive webs. Non-U.S. viewers will also get a charge out of its conspiracy theme. read more
CHRONICLES MAGAZINE / Gordon Kahl was a simple farmer who became famous for not filing income tax returns. Imprisoned and hounded by IRS agents who never did prove he owed any amount of money, Kahl and his son were involved in a shootout with police. The son is still serving a prison sentence, but the father was surrounded and shot in Arkansas by police officers who mutilated and burned his body. read more
GUNS & AMMO / A new video documentary, Death & Taxes, details a case of government murderously out of control that was briefly mentioned in the October 1994 Guns & Ammo article "The Ugly Truth About Gun Control." Death & Taxes is the story of Gordon Kahl, a North Dakota farmer and decorated World War II veteran, and his apparent death at the hands of federal agents. read more
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Now Available!This set of 6 DVD's comprises over 13 hours of uncut footage, including a 2+ hour prison interview with Yorie Kahl, and candid interviews with wife Joan Kahl. In this rich stockpile of research, you'll find many more threads than could reasonably be pursued in the final feature.
The Death & Taxes Miniseries DVD Set Includes...
01: Gordon Kahl Meets With Head North Dakota U.S. Marshal Bud Warren (60 min)
02: The Beginning: Gordon Kahl's military experience and views on a variety of subjects (93 min)
03: Gordon's Texas Tax Trial (90 min)
04: Medina Shootout (60 min)
05: Gordon Kahl Was...: A montage of over 25 people describing who Gordon Kahl was in their eyes. (50 min)
06: Mysterious Death In Arkansas (90 min)
07: Media Circus: Chronological portrayal of Gordon Kahl in the media (70 min)
08: Yorie Kahl Prison Interview (150 min)
09: Joan Kahl Uncut Interviews (120 min)
A little-known fact regarding Death & Taxes is the surprising connection to Timothy McVeigh and the ATF / Oklahoma City Bombing. Here's a clip of Jackson sharing the story during a director's commentary on his film Postal Worker.
The story of Gordon Kahl so captured the attention of mainstream America that it was turned into a highly-rated made-for-television movie titled
In The Line of Duty - Manhunt In The Dakotas.
DEATH & TAXES is the story of Gordon Kahl, a North Dakota farmer who became America's "most-wanted" fugitive. How had a WWII war hero become the target of one of the largest manhunts in FBI history?
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The badly burned remains of Gordon Kahl, with an island of skin that shows he was in a prone position at the time of the fire.
Was Kahl a racist, gun-toting fanatic? Or a victim of an IRS policy of harassing vocal tax protestors into silence to keep the rest of us intimidated? Did Bill Clinton conspire to cover-up the torture and execution of Gordon Kahl in Arkansas? Did federal agents mutilate and burn the body to cover-up the murder of the wrong man?
DEATH & TAXES follows the trail of Gordon Kahl as his body is exhumed for a new autopsy. Building on newsreel clips covering two fiery shootouts and hundreds of interviews -- with IRS agents and federal prosecutors as well as Kahl's family and supporters -- D&T explores the myths and controversies surrounding a man who dared to challenge the federal income tax system. Some revile Kahl as a cop killer. Others revere him as an American patriot. Which was he?
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